OOC Kingdom of Ashes IV - Who's yo' daddy?

[Laurel]

**Let's just get the pregnancy thing figured out as soon as possible. It's been on the table for far, far too long and there's so little *we* can do about it... it's really your decision, now Kennon.

Yes there are other things we need to chat with Jaine about, but we found answers to the communing and have a list of options for Jaine- it's up to her now. We aren't going to force her into any one of the options, and though we have ones individually we feel are better or worse- she has to make the decision and we have agreed that we will help as much as possible whatever way she decides... but is her (or the dices) turn to to choose.
Kennon, do you want this formally done in IC?

Orginially we just had the females talking to Jaine, which though having everyone there is cool.... I don't know about just throwing in the baby chat with here's all our others plans and thoughts what do you think.... we have been trying to do this the right way....

So however, wherever just let me know. Eagles play tonight versus Dallas!!!

just read Kennon's post so update partially:
So we tell her the options all around. giver time the think those through while we go chat with the bluestar and all those other northern people then come back tell her what's up there- then she has to make her decision, or we just kill her and both kids and be done with it.
If time is such an issue, I'm glad she's been asking and pushing to talk to anyone about it even those who I thought she concidered her close circle of advisors and such....... anyways.

 

[The_Universe]

Yes there are other things we need to chat with Jaine about, but we found answers to the communing and have a list of options for Jaine- it's up to her now. We aren't going to force her into any one of the options, and though we have ones individually we feel are better or worse- she has to make the decision and we have agreed that we will help as much as possible whatever way she decides... but is her (or the dices) turn to to choose.
Kennon, do you want this formally done in IC?

It doesn't matter to me if you have the "what to do with the babies discussion" IC or not. Whatever sounds like the most fun for you.

Orginially we just had the females talking to Jaine, which though having everyone there is cool.... I don't know about just throwing in the baby chat with here's all our others plans and thoughts what do you think.... we have been trying to do this the right way....

I think everyone would prefer to have the baby discussion be discreet, but it may not be possible. Her marital status (and her kids) are of necessity part and parcel of what comes next.

So however, wherever just let me know. Eagles play tonight versus Dallas!!!

Since I should not hope to break up so new a marriage, I wish them both luck!

just read Kennon's post so update partially:
So we tell her the options all around. giver time the think those through while we go chat with the bluestar and all those other northern people then come back tell her what's up there- then she has to make her decision, or we just kill her and both kids and be done with it.

Killing her might be a little extreme.

I want to have an IC discussion where you hash out what you all think needs to be done, and then she weighs in on it. She'll give you the ultimate power of negotiation on her behalf since it's unlikely that she'll go personally, but getting her opinions (after your careful research) can't hurt.

If time is such an issue, I'm glad she's been asking and pushing to talk to anyone about it even those who I thought she concidered her close circle of advisors and such....... anyways.

She has been pushing, pulling, and prodding. Assume that a lot of what I post OOC has come from her. IC, it may not have seemed that way, because I want the impetus for the major plotlines to come from you guys. It's your story, not Jaines.

That being said, she wants your input, even Archon's. Real life gets in the way sometimes, and for obvious reasons she hasn't been able to seek advice IC from you for a while, now.

 

[Xath]

Something the Bluestar Wants...

So...I've figured out something else the bluestar wants. It's not something we're going to want to give him, but it may be of equal weight to the "freedom" thing. Prophecy tells us that the Bluestar's downfall will come from Oberon's last daughter. I don't remember which prophecy this is from...but...let's assume he knows about it, because I'm sure he does. So who are Oberon's last daughters?

1) Andere Bluestar- Well, he already has her, and she's not ours to bargain with, so...no.

2) Jaine Rhynn- The queen of our rebellion, the bluestar may not want her directly, but he may want to arrange some sort of deal where he has a modicum of influence over her...like a marriage...to someone he already controls. Or if she dies in childbirth, he's the lord of the dead, so he'd have her anyway. However, I don't think she's relevant to the prophecy if she's dead.

3) Jaine Rhynn Jr. - If AA has problems with us dealing with the Bluestar in the first place, I'm sure he won't want us giving his daughter to the lichlord.

4) L'Aurel Woodshadow - I'm not sure if L'Aurel is still considered to be a daughter of Oberon in her new form.

5) Ara Arendorr - I don't think AA wants to give his sister to the Bluestar either.

6) Link's daughter, "Whatsherface" - Under Tain's control, so not really our concern.

Can anyone think of any more? Anyway, it's highly likely, in my opinion, that this issue will come up on the table. Certainly we don't want to hand any of these people over...but it may be a viable alternative to giving the Bluestar freedom.

 

[Archon]

Back into the fold

i still respectfully disagree that we should/need to ally with the Bluestar but I am clearly outnumbered so i concede to the group.
i still think that the best option for everybody, even Jaine, is for her to marry AA but i am clearly outnumbered so i concede to the group.
i'm sorry i couldn't explain myself better. i'm not sorry for offering a different opinion though. i hope that everything works out and we get to win D&D
no more dissent from the michols. we're all unified now. let's kick some butt...
so, who is making the PLAN?
mik

 

[The_Universe]

i'm not sorry for offering a different opinion though. i hope that everything works out and we get to win D&D

Nor should you be. I enjoy the debate, at the very least. I usually come up with the best stuff listening to what you guys are afraid of, and/or trying to defend what I think is a good idea.

no more dissent from the michols. we're all unified now. let's kick some butt...
so, who is making the PLAN?
mik

We're all making a plan (by which I mean we're all using our brains to make one plan, rather than all making seperate plans) I posted a rough outline a couple of pages back for what I thought would be a good start, but would like to add Gertie's idea of separating the twins, once born. I'll see if I can dig it up - if I can, I'll post it as a decent starting point?

 

[The_Universe]

So...I've figured out something else the bluestar wants. It's not something we're going to want to give him, but it may be of equal weight to the "freedom" thing. Prophecy tells us that the Bluestar's downfall will come from Oberon's last daughter. I don't remember which prophecy this is from...but...let's assume he knows about it, because I'm sure he does. So who are Oberon's last daughters?

1) Andere Bluestar- Well, he already has her, and she's not ours to bargain with, so...no.

2) Jaine Rhynn- The queen of our rebellion, the bluestar may not want her directly, but he may want to arrange some sort of deal where he has a modicum of influence over her...like a marriage...to someone he already controls. Or if she dies in childbirth, he's the lord of the dead, so he'd have her anyway. However, I don't think she's relevant to the prophecy if she's dead.

3) Jaine Rhynn Jr. - If AA has problems with us dealing with the Bluestar in the first place, I'm sure he won't want us giving his daughter to the lichlord.

4) L'Aurel Woodshadow - I'm not sure if L'Aurel is still considered to be a daughter of Oberon in her new form.

5) Ara Arendorr - I don't think AA wants to give his sister to the Bluestar either.

6) Link's daughter, "Whatsherface" - Under Tain's control, so not really our concern.

Can anyone think of any more? Anyway, it's highly likely, in my opinion, that this issue will come up on the table. Certainly we don't want to hand any of these people over...but it may be a viable alternative to giving the Bluestar freedom.

I think you'd rather have him free and wreaking havoc (and possibly defeatable), than imprisoned and invincible (as far as prophecy is concerned) for all of eternity - especially since he might get out, anyway.

But yeah - I'd agree that those things are probably equivalent. He'd probably jump at the chance to get his skeletal hands on all of them, just in case. >

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

We should ask during Commune who, exactly, Oberron's Last Daughter is... because, if it's Mrs. Big Blue, he could be unbeatable right now.

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

I think we should try to send Jaine's daughter to the Jade Forest Acad.

 

[The_Universe]

I think we should try to send Jaine's daughter to the Jade Forest Acad.

That may be dangerous, as has been discussed above. The Academy may turn a blind eye to fatherless daughters, but they may have more trouble with rearing an infant daughter of either a treasonous rebel Queen or a murderer in the service of that same rebellion.

Also, remember that the daughter will be marked.

Honestly, though, the person you have to convince is Archon - if Jaine can be convinced to split up her children, at least one will likely end in the care of her father. What does he think?

 

[The_Universe]

We should ask during Commune who, exactly, Oberron's Last Daughter is... because, if it's Mrs. Big Blue, he could be unbeatable right now.

Good idea.