OOC Kingdom of Ashes V - Brood city, baby!

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

Possible alternatives to utilizing the OOC ENWorld Forum:


(1) Purchase an ENWorld Thread:
For $40/year, we can purchase our own little forum here at ENWorld and, I think it's a really good idea. I know that we *can* use ENWorld for free however, we do place a pretty heavy burden on the site... it'd be like $7/person/year.

(2) Move to Yahoo! Groups:
A couple weeks ago, I started up a Yahoo! Group for KoA, if only to dink around with it... it seems pretty cool... would allow us to have email and threaded conversations from one place (so, post to the message board and it will be sent to everyone in the group). It may be a better way to include everyone, as well... this is free, as well.

 

[The_Universe]

Great ideas!

So, outside of Communing, how can we go about doing this?

(1) Find a way to plant someone in Tain's inner-circle (INTRIGUE!!)

That's a really cool idea. Not sure how to play it out, though. Hard to have one PC in a completely different place than every one else. However, if someone can come up with a solution to the real life logistics as well as the in-game ones, I think this is a great idea.

(2) Do a very dangerous scouting mission to where Tain is living (DANGER!!)

I think you'll probably end up doing this, anyway. However, the sooner it's done the better off you'll be, I suspect.

(3) Send in Xath or Justice as a very special gift for Tain... get him drunk and talking (SCANDAL!!)

And hey, if that doesn't work, I've been told that Archon is a very pretty man...

(4) Ask Big Blue (NOT VERY EXCITING!!)

definitely a good idea, although a) he may not know it all (though he probably knows something) and b) You'll probably want to check yourselves with something so important.

(5) Capture some of Tain's inner circle and question them (EXCITEMENT!!)

Just some ideas... none of which are mutually exclusive... but, ways to find out that information... probably best suited for *after* the Caer Albion/going North business -- except for the asking the Bluestar part, we can do that while we are North.

Very true. This may be where the campaign needs to go once you've acquired soldiers for your war...I'll leave the general direction up to you guys, so long as you give me some lead time to prepare for it.

However-- it is yet to be decided *how* we want to present ourselves to Big Blue... Xath the Bard, in particular, should have something to say about this... being a master of persuasion and the like... Justice knows what she thinks-- and she likes to think she's really good at the diplomacy thing, but really wants to know what Xath thinks... (if she has already responded and I have spaced it, I apologize... haven't been on our thread for a while -- if that is the case, Gertie, would you mind refreshing me?).

I think the pertinent questions have been asked. Who's going to present first, and what are you going to present (in general terms)? There's valid strategic reasons behind everything that's been discussed thus far - I think we're at the decision point, now.

 

[Laurel]

I'm not sure if this has been discussed:
Another thing we could possibly 'give' the bluestar is a potential heir of his blood line.
Wouldn't it be nice for him to have a living heir? Just in case someone finds that phylactory, he gets tired of ruling and just wants to settle down.......
So I ask what if Jaine names on of her current unborn children heir, that same child will then be named heir of Northern lands? Whenever Jaine dies, the child inherits all those lands?
Bluestar is free to roam, study, teach, what not but all under the new rulership. So If/When Bluestar dies one of Jaine's children inherit both kingdoms unifying the ringed continent, with his blue blood reigning?

And yes I relize this is a give/take and a big one at that....all I saw previous was giving him the child, this does not involve literally giving him either child.

 

[The_Universe]

Possible alternatives to utilizing the OOC ENWorld Forum:


(1) Purchase an ENWorld Thread:
For $40/year, we can purchase our own little forum here at ENWorld and, I think it's a really good idea. I know that we *can* use ENWorld for free however, we do place a pretty heavy burden on the site... it'd be like $7/person/year.

(2) Move to Yahoo! Groups:
A couple weeks ago, I started up a Yahoo! Group for KoA, if only to dink around with it... it seems pretty cool... would allow us to have email and threaded conversations from one place (so, post to the message board and it will be sent to everyone in the group). It may be a better way to include everyone, as well... this is free, as well.

Me gusta en world. I think a hosted forum is a cool idea, and would work out to around 6-7 dollars per person if we decided to do that. It would allow us to thread our discussions a little bit more than we do here (for example, we might have a thread for Army preparations, one for the Bluestar, etc.) rather than one big OOC thread and one big IC thread.

The Yahoo thing is interesting, but I think that Gmail does that part as well as Yahoo, if not better.

That being said, this works, and it's free. If cost is an issue to everyone, we can certainly stick with the current methods.

 

[Laurel]

when bored at work new tasks for KOA bad....

(1) Find a way to plant someone in Tain's inner-circle (INTRIGUE!!)
(2) Do a very dangerous scouting mission to where Tain is living (DANGER!!)
(3) Send in Xath or Justice as a very special gift for Tain... get him drunk and talking (SCANDAL!!)
(4) Ask Big Blue (NOT VERY EXCITING!!)
(5) Capture some of Tain's inner circle and question them (EXCITEMENT!!)

As stated definetly after Caer Albion and the fun that insues there, but cool future thoughts.
#4- nows the time
#5- always fun, and AA has stated enough that there's always the possibility of gettign them to change to our side.

Doing #1-3 could be cool, but it means at least partially splitting up. It could be run real world as a divided game, people meet at different times and we have no idea what the other groups are up to (Yep more pain and torture for DM) group 2: AA/Kareth; group 1: L'Aurel, Jansten; group 3: Xath, Justice??
reasons for these choices, but I am already starting to delving too deep here.....

Not a big fan of splitting up, though! As for just sitting around while one person tries to be concubine (or Miss Spy, or Mr. Politician) to Tain may not prove the most entertaining for the other five. If we decide necessary, we should end up in the same building so possibly could help each other and run into each other at times.... okay starting to get too detailed oriented.... but till closer to some resolution from the group at large on current things tabling motion perhaps????

 

[The_Universe]

I'm not sure if this has been discussed:
Another thing we could possibly 'give' the bluestar is a potential heir of his blood line.
Wouldn't it be nice for him to have a living heir? Just in case someone finds that phylactory, he gets tired of ruling and just wants to settle down.......
So I ask what if Jaine names on of her current unborn children heir, that same child will then be named heir of Northern lands? Whenever Jaine dies, the child inherits all those lands?

That's definitely a possibility, and is in fact the motivation behind allowing AB to marry Jaine, should it come up. However, he'd probably put some severe stipulations on any such deal - he may not want to have a "goody two-shoes" type running his kingdom after (if) he re-dies.

Furthermore, this part of the deal as you've presented it gives added incentive to future generations of Phoenix rulers to turn on the North, since they'd stand to inherit all that land if the Bluestar met with an unfortunate end. They could claim the whole shebang by right of conquest, and by right of blood. Risky to say the least.

Bluestar is free to roam, study, teach, what not but all under the new rulership. So If/When Bluestar dies one of Jaine's children inherit both kingdoms unifying the ringed continent, with his blue blood reigning?

And yes I relize this is a give/take and a big one at that....all I saw previous was giving him the child, this does not involve literally giving him either child.

In short, I think the way you'd have to sell it would be to promise the Bluestar a significant portion of the child's rearing and education - otherwise, he's just begging to get whacked and have his kingdom annexed.

All of that said, a living heir is undoubtedly attractive, and there's probably no harm in presenting it exactly as you have. At worst, he'll say 'no.' At best, he'll agree, and the door will be open to future conquest.

 

[Laurel]

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Exchange order:
Hopefully introductions first, and any random unforeseen questions that arise from that
We ask him a few questions we plan in advance:
1) about AB’s oath
2) about his phylactery and need want to destroy the 13 blades
We then get down to nitty gritty and ask/tell him to go first, he presents
We take it/match to what we have and take it down
He counter-offers
Etc. as needed

Letting him go first we see:
What he is willing to place on the table
How much he is willing to place on the table
What he wants/needs from us

Exchange possibilities:
What we give him--
1) His freedom from North of the wall
2) Open allowance of Blue Mages and school of wizardry
3) he gets land currently in his control north of the wall and x% of land in west, and x% more of ringed continent.
4) he receives all blades (except Man’s blade which shall remain his phylactery and in our possession till all 13 are destroyed)
5) Jaine proclaims one currently unborn child as heir, that same heir is proclaimed heir of his kingdom. Once war is completely over and peace declared, he gets right to see the child. During those times he can talk, teach, lecture whatever he wishes. The child will be send North with escort every two years for a span of 6 months –he/she is the future guaranteed ruler of Southern Kingdom needs more time there. Upon gaining Southern Throne the ruler is given the option of continuing their trips North.

What we get from him now--
1) All 13 blades destroyed as soon as all captured, we hold one in trust
2) He sends undead forces to Isle to fight Tain’s forces and capture two blades- he provides all transportation
3) He sends only (X #) living forces inside Caer Albion to help free the city- we provide initial transportation or buy it from him
4) One other force of (X #) soldiers for temporarily under Jaine’s command and placed near Hywrl- he provides initial transportation, we provide transportation if needed elsewhere

What we get from him in future—
1) The Army that was sent North by Tain will be returned to Jaine’s control when she gains throne–undead and living soldiers
2) He recognizes Jaine –or her appointed heir- Ruler of ringed continent
3) All undead must return after war to his lands and must remain in his territory only

What we give each other—
1) Free travel through each others territories, law pertain to all in others territories
2) Open rights to practice Blue mage magic and found a school in ringed continent
3) Joining of two nations J

 

[Laurel]

What is/was the project date of next KOA session?

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

Big Blue has a living heir that is tied to him in ways that he is not even willing to tell us: Archonus Bluestar.

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

That's a really cool idea. Not sure how to play it out, though. Hard to have one PC in a completely different place than every one else. However, if someone can come up with a solution to the real life logistics as well as the in-game ones, I think this is a great idea.

In order for this to work, we would need: a player that has the time to role play this out during off times and someone who is not *in* the circle to do it.

We could write up a new character for the mission, though. There's got to be someone in Hyrwl that could be trained to do something like this... OR, we could hire one of the Bounty Huntresses to do it... or one of the ninjas... say Tara?

So, it would require no actual splitting up of the group.