OOC Kingdom of Ashes V - Brood city, baby!

[Laurel]

Big Blue has a living heir that is tied to him in ways that he is not even willing to tell us: Archonus Bluestar.

So that's a no vote for the kid as heir to both offer?

So far only AB has been unwilling to discuss the oath... possible reason to bring it up with old blue and see if we get more information on it.

AB obviously has issues with him, and if he is all powerful he knows that. Plus if he plans to sit the throne forever, he has to have AB keep having children or he's out that heir line, back to square one.
The child could be concidered a pawn. Someone in ol' blues eyes he can sway to his ways. Growing up in a peaceful kingdom that doesn't see grandpa as evil and visiting the heir regularly would all encourage Big Blue to accept this.
And AB is heir currently, but he can be killed. The blood continues in AA, and the unborn kids. Lines he has to no matter what watch for invasion from.
This would just make it better for him- no little ones coming to kill him, and someone who he can possibly mold to his side.

 

[The_Universe]

What is/was the project date of next KOA session?

I believe we're out for this weekend for KoA. We're down 2. The next time we can play is thus Dec. 10-11-12, I think.

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

So that's a no vote for the kid as heir to both offer?

I don't think offering him a different heir will do any good... tying the lines of the phoenix kingdom and big blue's line may be appealing... but, simply offering him a different, living heir doesn't do any good-- he already has one, AB.

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

I think that - if Jaine will do it - tying the lines through marriage is an excellent and diplomatic option... however, that is entirely up to Jaine.

Before we can go one, we need to determine if she is willing to do that... which means the DM needs to fill us in.

 

[The_Universe]

Yeah - she is. She doesn't want you to openly offer it, though. If it comes down to it, she'll suck it up for the diplomatic benefits, but she's not eager.

I think I posted something to that effect on this thread or the last one.

 

[Laurel]

So Jaine marries AB gives kid right to both thrones. If both alive but blue dead, Jaine & AB both rule then kid rules both lands? If Jaine dies AB becomes full king of Pheonix kingdom? Kid and it's line get rights to north and rule south?
It's the same issues and same questions.

My option was cutting all that and just going to the kid.
I wasn't saying he will agree, as most of our wants/needs/suggestions he may not agree to or simply twist to his way.

Just something we can offer without having Jaine give up thoughts of happiness, love ever after and all that such. If they marry it is not simply political, her kid still inherits as it would if they got married. Jaine, our Queen, just stays out of being a bargining chip.

 

[The_Universe]

So far only AB has been unwilling to discuss the oath... possible reason to bring it up with old blue and see if we get more information on it.

Definitely useful. At worst, he won't tell you anything, and you'll still be confused. At best, you'll learn something.

AB obviously has issues with him, and if he is all powerful he knows that. Plus if he plans to sit the throne forever, he has to have AB keep having children or he's out that heir line, back to square one.

Yes. AB's virility is more than likely very important.

 

[The_Universe]

In order for this to work, we would need: a player that has the time to role play this out during off times and someone who is not *in* the circle to do it.

We could write up a new character for the mission, though. There's got to be someone in Hyrwl that could be trained to do something like this... OR, we could hire one of the Bounty Huntresses to do it... or one of the ninjas... say Tara?

So, it would require no actual splitting up of the group.

I think this is a great idea, particularly as it may allow the KoA plot to advance (at least a little) without letting members of the circle pull too far ahead of one another. Maybe we could set it up as a side game with less strict attendance requirements? Different characters?

If everyone is ok with this, just let me know who has the time and interest. What I don't want to do is have someone upset because they're being left out. So, let me know if you have a problem with it, or if you think it's a marvelous idea...and then secondarily if you want a piece of the action. I will note: if I am to run such a side game, there will be essentially no attendance rules. Play it when we have time, etc.

Let me know!

 

[Queen_Dopplepopolis]

Let me know!

I have the time and the location to make this very do-able!

 

[The_Universe]

So Jaine marries AB gives kid right to both thrones. If both alive but blue dead, Jaine & AB both rule then kid rules both lands?

Correct.

If Jaine dies AB becomes full king of Pheonix kingdom? Kid and it's line get rights to north and rule south?

Probably yes, but it's also possible that the throne would skip AB (since his claims of not being an Arrendorr put his parentage in question) and go right to the infant.

My option was cutting all that and just going to the kid.
I wasn't saying he will agree, as most of our wants/needs/suggestions he may not agree to or simply twist to his way.

A valiant effort. However, I think that in order to make this lesser offer valuable enough to seem distinct from the options discussed above, you'd have to do something like what we already decided we don't want to do - give him a child of his line outright.

Just something we can offer without having Jaine give up thoughts of happiness, love ever after and all that such. If they marry it is not simply political, her kid still inherits as it would if they got married. Jaine, our Queen, just stays out of being a bargining chip.

It may not have been clear, but Jaine volunteers to be considered a bargaining chip - she is aware of her precarious position, and is willing to use herself as a lever to ensure the success of her rebellion and thus her fledgling kingdom.