[OOC] OOC thread about the non-iconics adventure (part deux)

[reapersaurus]

hmmm.... very interesting.

my thoughts:
CR - so can i assume that it is unacceptable to have party infighting on an on-going basis anymore?

If so, than I'm wondering if Dopp's character concept for Ivellios can transform itself to accept Ubaar, a half-orc.
As far as I can see, Dopp has chosen to have Ivellios continue with his racist ways, and see people only as colors of skin. He has repeatedly made clear that your race defines your personality, and spirit.

So Dopp - it seems like your concept from the beginnning has been to have a close-minded, racist elf in the party, thereby a constant source of inter-party friction.

I've come to accept that, and I can keep roleplaying with that, if you want.
I wonder though if accepting Ubaar as an equal, or companion, would be compromising your character concept too much?

 

[CRGreathouse]

CR - so can i assume that it is unacceptable to have party infighting on an on-going basis anymore?

*Shrug* It's unacceptable to Kytess. She would have brought it up earlier, but I didn't find a good time until now. There are a number of ways this could go; I'm curous to see what results.

Kytess would like Ubaar and Ivellios to work better together, or leave; she would prefer leaders in the following order:
Murhid
Kytess
Jalon
Taz
Sollir
Ubaar
Ivellios

As a player, I'm less concerned about harmless name-calling than Kytess is - she sees it as a direct danger to our ability to fight as a group, and thus our lives.
*I* would like both Ivellios and Ubaar to stay in the group, and would like leaders in the following order:
Jalon
Kytess
Murhid
?

If this turns out to be an explosive issue to the players, we can solve it OOC, but I'd rather solve it IC (as always).

 

[reapersaurus]

I love the image of Kytess blocking the door, despite barely coming past Ubaar and Murhid's waists.

Kytess isn't good at brokering peace agreements. Still, she sees the need for order, especially here. She does what she can.

ya, the only thing better would be if little Taz suddenly blocked the door from everyone's passage. LOL

Why would Kytess have chosen NOW to make this stand?
As far as order is concerned, you're not gonna get much support from Ubaar on that end.... he sees nothing wrong with chaos.

Truthfully, though, if I was playing Ubaar totally to character all the time, I probably would have him not support Jalon's leadership that much, since (as I understand) Jalon does kind of represent the status quo - the same status quo which keeps his people from being accepted.

Ubaar would probably like not having a leader- just a group of peers who are together for mutual benefit and protection.
If Jalon went too far with insisting leadership, Ubaar would rebel, saying "You're not my toishach!" (chieftain)

Having to follow orders stifles individual creativity too much...
...following orders is a hallmark of an inefficient society.

 

[reapersaurus]

In character, Ubaar would not follow anyone but Jalon or Kytess.

They are the only ones other than he and Ivellios that have proven any kind of combat prowess, in his eyes. (and he obviously wouldn't accept Ivellios in a leadership role)

Out of character, i really don't care, other than it must make SOME semblance of sense in-character.

 

[Murhid]

lol, stop picking on Taz ! She's the same CR as you don't forget !

In character Murhid would only find Jalon's leadership acceptable, but would as well rebel like Ubaar if it went too far. The rest of the group doesn't have enough charisma and wisdom to be leader figures.

Out of character, I don't really think we need a leader, but we do need some kind of order.

 

[CRGreathouse]

OOC, I don't know that we need either a leader or mroe order than we've had - but try arguing that to Kytess.

I think Iv's last post should close, if not resolve, the issue.

 

[Jalon Odessa]

Although Jalon's character is well-suited to a leadership role, I'd be uncomfortable if he was made the formal leader of the group. I don't think it's necessary from either in in or out-of-character standpoint to have a designated leader in such a situation. I haven't been pushing the role of leader onto him for that reason - although Jalon would relish the job of group leader, I personally wouldn't.

In-character, however, Jalon already considers himself to be the leader, as I've said in the past. The thought had never crossed his mind that the others weren't aware of this, and the notion that someone else should be 'in-command' is utterly alien to him. He's a follower of Tyr, god of justice - he's used to people trusting his judgements unfailingly or facing the consequences.

 

[reapersaurus]

oh - can anyone recommend any good reading for 2E FR material for background information on the Realms that would pertain for this adventure (or secondarily, for others)?

 

[Doppleganger]

I can't help you there. In the FR setting I've read the Icewind Dale Trilogy, the Moonshae Trilogy, the Shandril Saga books, the Finder's Stone Trilogy, and the Maztica Trilogy. And I can safely report to you that none of them have a whole lot to do with the Dragon Coast area.

On the other hand, if you haven't read the (Greyhawk setting) books by Paul Kidd yet, do so! (White Plume Mtn, Descent to the Depths of the Earth, & Queen of the Demonweb Pits). They are by far the best TSR/WOTC books I've ever read. The main character "Justicar" is similar to Jalon, and the sidekick pixie "Escalla" sort of reminds me of Taz for some reason. The books are not only well-written, but hilarious too!

 

[Doppleganger]

Oh, and if you just meant reference & rules material - the 3E FRCS is pretty darn good for background info on just about anything FR related.