D&D 5E Orcs and Drow in YOUR game (poll */comments +)

[Vaalingrade]

I'm pretty sure the basic premise of the game is performing home invasions on people different from you and feeling good about it because of those differences. God really don't factor into it much except where their pets are required for what passes for efficient healing.

 

[Minigiant]

If Lolth died 1) It would take Drow society centuries and perhaps millennia(given the longevity of elves) for their society to evolve away from what it currently is, and 2) would only happen if the other 6 CE drow deities also died at the same time. Otherwise they'd just fill the power vacuum and evil drow society would continue on, though probably in a somewhat different manner(far fewer spiders for example).

yup

Vhaeraun, Lolth's son, is just male Lolth who isn't a sexist and has no spider booty.

Though depending on the setting and edition, evil drow society might crumble without the controls of drow clerics. The whole thing is a house of cards. That's why I keep saying no one thought hard about these things.

It's like the orcs not farming thing.

 

[Vaalingrade]

yup

Vhaeraun, Lolth's son, is just male Lolth who isn't a sexist and has no spider booty.

Though depending on the setting and edition, evil drow society might crumble without the controls of drow clerics. The whole thing is a house of cards. That's why I keep saying no one thought hard about these things.

It's like the orcs not farming thing.

Lloth had a son?!

Lloth go busy?!

Did she eat the dude like a praying mantis after or did he nope out the moment all the booze wore off?

 

[Maxperson]

Lloth had a son?!

Lloth go busy?!

Did she eat the dude like a praying mantis after or did he nope out the moment all the booze wore off?

I'm guessing she ate him like a Black Widow, but that's pure assumption there.

 

[Vaalingrade]

I'm guessing she ate him like a Black Widow, but that's pure assumption there.

Really we have to figure out what would be the worst result for drow as a whole and Lloth in particular. Because that's the one she'll choose.

 

[Minigiant]

Lloth had a son?!

Lloth go busy?!

Did she eat the dude like a praying mantis after or did he nope out the moment all the booze wore off?

I'm guessing she ate him like a Black Widow, but that's pure assumption there.

It was by Corellon I believe. She couldn't eat him.

Vhaeraun is weaker than his parents though. A lot more competent but weaker. If you killed Lolth, drow society would collapse. But the surviving evil ones would be 100x more dangerous if they rebuild. And I think his dad is unwilling to fight him directly.

 

[Vaalingrade]

It was by Corellon I believe. She couldn't eat him.

Pity.

If you killed Lolth, drow society would collapse.

What could possibly lead to their collapse that's not a direct result of her continued survival?

 

[Maxperson]

It was by Corellon I believe.

Kinky.

Vhaeraun is weaker than his parents though. A lot more competent but weaker. If you killed Lolth, drow society would collapse. But the surviving evil ones would be 100x more dangerous if they rebuild. And I think his dad is unwilling to fight him directly.

Drow society would fall dangerously low, but I don't think it would collapse completely. Worship would shift immediately to other drow deities as the matrons won't want to lose their power and position. They'd ensure that the rest of the drow follow suit. That increased worship would strengthen Vhaeraun and the others.

 

[Lyxen]

Lloth had a son?!

No, she did not, at least not the one true Lolth, that of Greyhawk. I really don't like the FR Drow pantheon, never made sense to me, and I really hate the "it looks good, let's copy it, but way worse, in the FR" attitude.

As for what happens when a god is killed, I really liked the 4e Adventure Path "Scales of War", including the consequences of what happens if the goddess of Greed is killed, with the speech by Bahamut: "Good and evil alike are affected by the end of greed and envy—which you saw in Hestavar. Even bulwarks of virtue like the temple of Bahamut are not immune to greed.” Bahamut gives a low snort that might be a chuckle,
might be a cough. “There’s still evil in the world, of course. The tree of evil has multiple roots . . . not just greed. But you’ve fundamentally changed the world forever, heroes. I encourage you to visit it and see what you’ve done before . . . moving on."

Some of the effects on the drow might be immediate. The culture might take a long time to change. And then it might not. In Erelhei-Cinlu (much more interesting city than the pale copy that is Menzoberranzan), there are already multiple cults and factions, although the spider-queen was first and foremost, so the culture might survive through other deities / demons, or there might be a revolution from the discontent or power-hungry...

 

[Krachek]

I think the rules solution is not so effective.
Publish a cool and appealing Drow faction that is generally Good align, and it will make more difference.

Same for the Orcs, make up a faction of Orcs, that are smart, cunning, that use arcane in a different way and people will start to use them.