Orcs used to be Lawful Evil

[MerricB]

One Rancor coming up!

Cheers!

 

[Quicken]

poor baby has something stuck in his mouth

 

[MerricB]

It's an orc's thighbone.

Cheers!

 

[Derulbaskul]

Keep on the Borderlands is generally regarded as one of the classic introductions to D&D. Guess what alignment orcs are in it?

Chaotic.

Cheers!

And before there was Keep on the Borderlands, guess what alignments they were?

Chaotic evil.

Go on, check your original blue books.

Yes, orcs were originally chaotic evil; 1E and 2E changed that.

 

[Bendris Noulg]

That's because there were only three alignments-Lawful, Neutral and Chaotic. Lawful was good; Neutral was, well, neutral; and Chaotic was evil.

Weren't Elves Chaotic?

That is, I do believe that the 0E/Basic+ Alignments were more derived from the Elric books than anything else.

 

[MerricB]

Last edited by Piratecat : Today at 02:04 PM. Reason: The photo was WAY too big. Linked instead.

But it was a Rancor, Piratecat! It's meant to be WAY too big!

Sorry about that, and thanks for the quick edit.

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The History of Orcish Alignments:

1974: OD&D - Diaglo came along and decreed "Orcs are Chaotic"
1977: Basic D&D (Holmes Edition) - a simplified version of the AD&D alignment system was used (no Neutrals except TN). "Orcs are Chaotic Evil"
1977: AD&D Monster Manual. "Orcs are Lawful Evil"
1989: AD&D 2E Monstrous Compendium I. "Orcs are Lawful Evil"
2000: D&D 3E: "Orcs are usually Chaotic Evil"
2003: D&D 3.5E: "Orcs are often Chaotic Evil"

Cheers!

 

[francisca]

But it was a Rancor, Piratecat! It's meant to be WAY too big!

Sorry about that, and thanks for the quick edit.

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The History of Orcish Alignments:

1974: OD&D - Diaglo came along and decreed "Orcs are Chaotic"
1977: Basic D&D (Holmes Edition) - a simplified version of the AD&D alignment system was used (no Neutrals except TN). "Orcs are Chaotic Evil"
1977: AD&D Monster Manual. "Orcs are Lawful Evil"
1989: AD&D 2E Monstrous Compendium I. "Orcs are Lawful Evil"
2000: D&D 3E: "Orcs are usually Chaotic Evil"
2003: D&D 3.5E: "Orcs are often Chaotic Evil"

Cheers!

1980 Basic: Chaotic
1983 Basic: Chaotic

That's way more choas than law for the Orcs. Usually/Often indeed!

 

[francisca]

Weren't Elves Chaotic?

That is, I do believe that the 0E/Basic+ Alignments were more derived from the Elric books than anything else.

1977: Holmes Basic: Chaotic Good
1977 AD&D MM: Chaotic Good (some neutral)
1980, 1983 Basic: Neutral
1989,1995 2E: Chaotic Good
3E: Chaotic Good, (Wood Elves Neutral), Drow NE

 

[Dark Jezter]

Dead, don't fret. You can change the alignment of your Orcs back to lawful evil. It's not like the end of the world or anything.

But that dosen't change the fact that everybody else is playing them as chaotic evil, and the thought that other poeple are using the bastardized 3e orcs rather than the correct 1e/2e AD&D orcs just makes me so mad!

(/sarcasm)

I miss the rolleyes smiley.

 

[takyris]

Dead, does somebody have you in a painful armlock of some sort, forcing you to play a version you don't want to play? Really, you don't have to play. It's okay. You seem really jazzed about 3rd Edition, except that every single change between 3.5 and OD&D is not a good change, in your opinion. This would sorta seem to possibly imply that you might be playing the wrong edition.