Orcs used to be Lawful Evil

[frankthedm]

The ancient scars left by the battle between Gruumsh and Corellion did more than take Gruumsh's eye. The spear left a slight trace of the elf gods essence, infecting Gruumsh with chaos and seeding the change in the alignment of the whole race.

Or maybe all the ink from working at kinkos is making me high... I dunno anymore.

That sort of happened in Their return match for my campaign, The Orcish race is sinking from dicipline into degeneracy since the slaying of the elf god. Corellion gave his potency to the Fea court[Oberon, Titania etc..]and Gruumsh had to split most of the divine spoils with another entity that assualted the elf god through the elf race. All one-eye really got was a fat dose of chaos taint and a little bit more fertility. So now even simians are not safe from orc breeding programs [hackmaster 4th edition]

 

[dead]

Dead, does somebody have you in a painful armlock of some sort, forcing you to play a version you don't want to play? Really, you don't have to play. It's okay. You seem really jazzed about 3rd Edition, except that every single change between 3.5 and OD&D is not a good change, in your opinion. This would sorta seem to possibly imply that you might be playing the wrong edition.

You seem to have missed the basic question of this thread. I'll repeat it here for your convenience:

Where is the line that you draw between respecting "tradition" and making changes that are "convienient" to the new rules/new "look"?

P.S. I don't know why you think I don't like 3E. Just for the record: I love D&D 3E and would never go back to 2E or 1E. It seems if people make the slightest criticism of 3E around here you're lynched for it.

 

[dead]

But that dosen't change the fact that everybody else is playing them as chaotic evil, and the thought that other poeple are using the bastardized 3e orcs rather than the correct 1e/2e AD&D orcs just makes me so mad!

(/sarcasm)

I miss the rolleyes smiley.

I actually play my orcs as Chaotic Evil. I also wouldn't care the slightest if everybody else played them Lawful Evil, Chaotic Evil or Lawful Good.

I'll return you to the basic question of this thread:

Where is the line that you draw between respecting "tradition" and making changes that are "convienient" to the new rules/new "look"?

 

[MerricB]

I go with what is fun, what make sense to me, and what helps bring new players to the table.

Cheers!

 

[dead]

I go with what is fun, what make sense to me, and what helps bring new players to the table.

Cheers!

Thanks, Merric, that's a wonderful answer!

 

[MerricB]

Thanks, Merric, that's a wonderful answer!

Glad you liked it!

Cheers!

 

[dreaded_beast]

Orcs are just ugly elves.

 

[S'mon]

Halflings don't affect me since they don't exist in my campaign area.
Orcs - they're even referred to as Chaotic in the 1e AD&D DMG, so this was a return to the roots. I see them as basically Chaotic on an individual level (unlike hobgoblins), but capable of large-scale organisation (unlike gnolls), so can be classed as LE, CE, or both - my Orc & Goblin pantheons still fight each other on Acheron, just like in 1e. I see Gruumsh the Orc Chief-god as LE, Ilneval the god of Lieutenants/Officers as NE, and Baghtru the god of the common orc soldier as CE.

Drow - definitely CE in my book, in fact the epitomy of 'civilised' CE.

 

[S'mon]

Orcs are just ugly elves.

You can talk.

 

[Kalanyr]

Halflings don't affect me since they don't exist in my campaign area.
Orcs - they're even referred to as Chaotic in the 1e AD&D DMG, so this was a return to the roots. I see them as basically Chaotic on an individual level (unlike hobgoblins), but capable of large-scale organisation (unlike gnolls), so can be classed as LE, CE, or both - my Orc & Goblin pantheons still fight each other on Acheron, just like in 1e. I see Gruumsh the Orc Chief-god as LE, Ilneval the god of Lieutenants/Officers as NE, and Baghtru the god of the common orc soldier as CE.

Drow - definitely CE in my book, in fact the epitomy of 'civilised' CE.

Heh, yay, someone else who agrees with me that any form of civilisation, wisdom or intelligence doesn't necesarily preclude a chaotic alignment. (Shame that the designer's don't, Chaotics get relatively dumber to Lawful's every edition).

Edit- Because I forgot an important negative.