[OT] Ben Stein and Evercrack

[JacktheRabbit]

You just did.

When did I ever say they have no responsibility?

I have said that the proposed solution that he used is an acceptable means of taking responsibility.

Please provide the quote to which you are refering.

 

[BryonD]

I don't think it's narrow at all, although I can see how you would think so as my initial post was typed while I was a bit emotional.

And no, I don't think my parenting methodology is the only "correct" way, but I find the assertion that society being what it is in this day and age should be an excuse not to actively engage your child and take a stand contrary to what is popular or what is easy.

I'm really sincerely sorry if I offended you guys though. I really do have a lot of respect for the people who post here, but as you know, some things just hit a nerve with some people.

Who made this assertion?

I certainly have not. You are forcing the conclusion that if other alternatives are valid, that this one alternative is rejected.

I will even state that Ben Stein probably made some very big mistakes to let the situation get to where it did. And, quite possibly, a less extreme solution within the household may have been effective. I have no way of knowing any of this. All I have stated is that simpe rejection of an alternative that DID work, is silly. And calling it a lack of responsibility is armchair quarterbacking.

[And I also said that throwing around unsupported, unjustified terms just because they are highly defamitory is lame]

 

[jaerdaph]

Coward? Are you brave enough to spend an extended period away from yoru child so that they will be better off?

I've been doing it since September when he started college.

I'm very proud of the man my son has become, and I'm honored to have had some influence on him.

Look, I'm sorry if I've offended you in some way, but the reality is, you've offered no proof for YOUR assertions. And I really think I'm being generous here because in my opinion, your assertions are really just excuses.

Anyway, this discussion serves no purpose in the grand scheme of things, and I'm sorry I ever opened my mouth.

 

[BryonD]

I've been doing it since September when he started college.

I'm very proud of the man my son has become, and I'm honored to have had some influence on him.

Look, I'm sorry if I've offended you in some way, but the reality is, you've offered no proof for YOUR assertions. And I really think I'm being generous here because in my opinion, your assertions are really just excuses.

Anyway, this discussion serves no purpose in the grand scheme of things, and I'm sorry I ever opened my mouth.

I have no doubt that your son is an excellent person. Obviously, you did not make the mistakes that Ben did to get into the situation that he had to get his son out of.

What asserstion would you like me to prove?
The solution did work. That assertion is proven.

The solution was an acceptance of responsiblity. That isn't really an asserstion, but an opinion. Nothing you have said has really challenged that opinion. Simply throwing stones at it is meaningless.

That Ben Stein is not a fascist is an assertion. But really that is a simple reply to your assertion that he is. I belive the burden of proof here is heavily on you. And there is no means of removing that particular burden.

 

[jaerdaph]

That Ben Stein is not a fascist is an assertion. But really that is a simple reply to your assertion that he is. I belive the burden of proof here is heavily on you. And there is no means of removing that particular burden.

Now you're just grasping at straws.

But okay, I do admit I shouldn't have said that Ben Stein was a fascist. Like I said, it was said in anger. I firmly believe in the rest of what I said, and I think I've proven my point.

 

[BryonD]

Now you're just grasping at straws.

boggle!!!!

Please explain.

But okay, I do admit I shouldn't have said that Ben Stein was a fascist. Like I said, it was said in anger. I firmly believe in the rest of what I said, and I think I've proven my point.

OK, we'll drop the fascist thing.

But you must have a really odd definition of proof. Please provide the post (time stamp will do) or re-state this "proof".

Simply making a statment over and over does not constitute proof.

Exactly what point is it that you have established as clear fact?

 

[jaerdaph]

I have no doubt that your son is an excellent person. Obviously, you did not make the mistakes that Ben did to get into the situation that he had to get his son out of.

BTW, thank you

 

[ColonelHardisson]

I think Ben Stein is a smart guy. I think he was confronted with a situation with which he wasn't equipped to deal, and took the steps he felt were needed. Right or wrong, he did what he felt was best at the time. I think he deftly steered the interviewer away from the "demonic" nonsense (note that his use of that term was metaphoric, whereas the interviewer seemed to mean it in a more literal sense), and didn't seem judgemental about the genre, just the particular games he mentions. I've seen other interviews with him where he's mentioned Everquest and his son, and it didn't seem he was on a witch hunt to me, per se, he was just concerned that something about these games appealed to addictive personalities, just as many other things do.

But, that's just my opinion. What do I know? Not much.

 

[Crothian]

I'm just waiting for someone to offer some proof to either side or the discussion. We have sort of established people's positions, but even that could be polished and restated clearly.

 

[jaerdaph]

Simply making a statment over and over does not constitute proof.

Exactly what point is it that you have established as clear fact?

This is starting to get a bit overblown, isn't it?

My intention was never to prove anything, merely to express my OPINION that Ben Stein's choice (effectively, HIS opinion) was wrong. Happy?