[OT] Hockey Fever: The NHL Playoffs Thread
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Tom Cashel
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Agamon said:
Hey, Detroit's the best team money can buy (the Rangers are the worst).
Ah, blow it out yer ear, squid-boy.
Desdichado
Hero
What's worse is that the Wings are being financed at the expense of the Tigers. Now that's a cryin' shame...
GreyOne
Explorer
What's Yzerman getting in points per game? Sorry, but rumours of his death are greatly exaggerated.
The Canucks are letting Yzerman score. Watch most of his goals. They're standing around whenever he has the puck.
Don't get me wrong, Yzerman one of the greats. But the only problem he's having is the odd occasion when he falls and has to get up. Look at him when he suddenly has the puck. Amazing transformation. The Canucks are giving him WAY too much respect. He's single-handedly being allowed to win it for Detroit. Tonight, I'm willing to bet he gets brutalized.
The Canucks are letting Yzerman score. Watch most of his goals. They're standing around whenever he has the puck.
Don't get me wrong, Yzerman one of the greats. But the only problem he's having is the odd occasion when he falls and has to get up. Look at him when he suddenly has the puck. Amazing transformation. The Canucks are giving him WAY too much respect. He's single-handedly being allowed to win it for Detroit. Tonight, I'm willing to bet he gets brutalized.
Holy Bovine
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Nightfall said:
It really is frustrating for me. I watched the Sens for years do great in the regular season only to 'choke' and bow out early in the playoffs (remember last year's sweep by Toronto? That was the last straw for me and I hung up my oversized, novelty foam Sens hat forever). now I figure "Great Philly will brutalize them and knock them out in 5".
I forgot that Philly is the second great choke artists of all time. ***sigh***
Nightfall
Sage of the Scarred Lands
No kidding Bov. I've already heard the outcry after last night game...and believe me it's worse than any time I can imagine...and I've seen a few!
Wel, well the 95 Flyers had heart. Just look at the Minnasota line they used to have with Shjon Poden (won a cup)...and darn I forgot the rest!
Wel, well the 95 Flyers had heart. Just look at the Minnasota line they used to have with Shjon Poden (won a cup)...and darn I forgot the rest!
Flexor the Mighty!
18/100 Strength!
Lady Dragon said:
Let's not get silly and start saying he's better than Lemieux. He's top 10-15 all time though.
1. Wayne Gretzky
2. Bobby Orr
3. Gordie Howe
4. Mario Lemeiux
5. Maurice Richard
6. Bobby Hull
7. Patrick Roy
8. Mark Messier
9. Phil Esposito
10. Ray Bourque
11. Doug Harvey
12. Steve Yzerman
13. Glen Hall
14. Marcel Dionne
15. Jacques Plante
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Quickbeam
Explorer
Prepare yourselves for a long, and comprehensive reply.
MulhorandSage:
The call for running Cloutier was marginal but acceptable. While the penalty for slashing on Fischer was absurd...especially when one considers that a Canuck forward took a dive just seconds beforehand trying to get call on Chelios. As for balancing earlier calls, I can't comment. I only saw the third period -- my infant son was kind enough to wake me for the exciting conclusion . The Canucks certainly seem to try harder than my Wings...hopefully that trend will end this evening!
Nightfall:
Clarke is a prize-winning and world renowned jacka**. I'm sorry for Flyers fans that the team has tanked in such a horrifying manner.
Teflon Billy:
By "crash the net" I meant going to the goal hard. Bertuzzi, Keith Tkachuk and John LeClair (the current playoff series aside) are all excellent in this regard. It's an element that the Wings sorely lack, and I hope they manage to address this off-season.
Chelly is good at taking the body when he feels like it, but Lidstrom is less aggressive. Don't get me wrong, Nicklas is perhaps the best all-around defenseman in the NHL, but checking is not his forte. For all their size and strength, Krupp and Fischer are less physical than Theo freaking-Fleury, and our other blueliners are marginal at best.
Playing the man may not always lead to big dollars, but it's still the best way to do your job on defense. I want guys who won't stand around like pylons in jerseys, dammit !!
We agree, Yzerman is amazing. Period end of discussion.
You have a bet my friend. I will address the Wings attempts to purchase The Cup should they lose.
Thanks for the explanation on Orca Bay. I support your vote for the lumberjack logo...that would be awesome. There is/was an IHL or OHL team called the Cleveland Lumberjacks, and I believe their logos were/are an angry beaver and a buzzsaw blade. Very cool stuff!
Agreed again, people are jerks. It's too bad that this answer applies in so many instances nowadays. I'm glad that you feel the officiating hasn't been biased against Vancouver, because I think Brian Burke's dog and pony show was totally transparent and contrived. Bad calls have gone both ways in this series, and you didn't hear Scotty Bowman crying to the media after losses in Games One and Two. Burke's act will garner an extra call or two for the Canucks tonight, but I'm hoping our four goal first period will remove any element of suspense from the action .
GreyOne:
1) I believe that I said Cloutier wasn't a good goalie, not that he's bad per se. He's acceptable. Not great, not spectacular, not bad nor crummy. He looked terrible in Game One, and neither goalie deserved to win that contest. Be honest with yourself, and tell me if he's better than average compared to the other starting goaltenders around the NHL. I'm not knocking him, just saying he's nothing to write home about. Osgood was that way in '98 and we won a Stanley Cup with him.
2) Hasek flops, no argument here. He's not the only cheap player in the league, but he's certainly high on the list.
3) You shouldn't want Yzerman to get "brutalized." Checked perhaps; played tight, sure. But brutalized...now who's exhibiting brutal sportmanship GreyOne?
4) I didn't lump any random fans together when I said the actions after the last game were classless and shameful. I was specifically addressing the actions of those that threw debris on the ice and at the Wings' bench. I'm sure Vancouverites in general are fine folk, but that display was embarassing.
5) Chelios was the dirtiest player in the league for years, and still holds a spot in the Top Ten I'm sure.
6) What do you mean the Wings aren't a team to be proud of?
7) Your homerism is obvious, now how about some objectivity ?
Agamon:
Burke can now be mentioned in the same breath as P.T. Barnum for greatest showman of all time.
I hope you're wrong about the holdout, but there's no question the NHL needs better revenue sharing.
Lady Dragon:
We do love our hockey here in Detroit don't we? Anyone who argues about the value, talent, or historical ranking of Steve Yzerman is just silly. He's one of the best players ever, and an even better team leader. I feel privileged to have grown up watching him play.
Welverin:
Ron Francis certainly deserves more attention than he's received, but he isn't of Yzerman's caliber. Then again, IMO, very few players ever have been
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Joshua Dyal:
It truly does suck that Ilitch allows the Tigers to wallow amongst the refuse of MLB, while the Wings receive everything they need to be successful . Hopefully the effort will get spread around at some point in the not-too-distant future.
GO WINGS!!!
MulhorandSage:
The call for running Cloutier was marginal but acceptable. While the penalty for slashing on Fischer was absurd...especially when one considers that a Canuck forward took a dive just seconds beforehand trying to get call on Chelios. As for balancing earlier calls, I can't comment. I only saw the third period -- my infant son was kind enough to wake me for the exciting conclusion
. The Canucks certainly seem to try harder than my Wings...hopefully that trend will end this evening!Nightfall:
Clarke is a prize-winning and world renowned jacka**. I'm sorry for Flyers fans that the team has tanked in such a horrifying manner.
Teflon Billy:
By "crash the net" I meant going to the goal hard. Bertuzzi, Keith Tkachuk and John LeClair (the current playoff series aside) are all excellent in this regard. It's an element that the Wings sorely lack, and I hope they manage to address this off-season.
Chelly is good at taking the body when he feels like it, but Lidstrom is less aggressive. Don't get me wrong, Nicklas is perhaps the best all-around defenseman in the NHL, but checking is not his forte. For all their size and strength, Krupp and Fischer are less physical than Theo freaking-Fleury, and our other blueliners are marginal at best.
Playing the man may not always lead to big dollars, but it's still the best way to do your job on defense. I want guys who won't stand around like pylons in jerseys, dammit
!!We agree, Yzerman is amazing. Period end of discussion.
You have a bet my friend. I will address the Wings attempts to purchase The Cup should they lose.
Thanks for the explanation on Orca Bay. I support your vote for the lumberjack logo...that would be awesome. There is/was an IHL or OHL team called the Cleveland Lumberjacks, and I believe their logos were/are an angry beaver and a buzzsaw blade. Very cool stuff!
Agreed again, people are jerks. It's too bad that this answer applies in so many instances nowadays. I'm glad that you feel the officiating hasn't been biased against Vancouver, because I think Brian Burke's dog and pony show was totally transparent and contrived. Bad calls have gone both ways in this series, and you didn't hear Scotty Bowman crying to the media after losses in Games One and Two. Burke's act will garner an extra call or two for the Canucks tonight, but I'm hoping our four goal first period will remove any element of suspense from the action
.GreyOne:
1) I believe that I said Cloutier wasn't a good goalie, not that he's bad per se. He's acceptable. Not great, not spectacular, not bad nor crummy. He looked terrible in Game One, and neither goalie deserved to win that contest. Be honest with yourself, and tell me if he's better than average compared to the other starting goaltenders around the NHL. I'm not knocking him, just saying he's nothing to write home about. Osgood was that way in '98 and we won a Stanley Cup with him.
2) Hasek flops, no argument here. He's not the only cheap player in the league, but he's certainly high on the list.
3) You shouldn't want Yzerman to get "brutalized." Checked perhaps; played tight, sure. But brutalized...now who's exhibiting brutal sportmanship GreyOne?
4) I didn't lump any random fans together when I said the actions after the last game were classless and shameful. I was specifically addressing the actions of those that threw debris on the ice and at the Wings' bench. I'm sure Vancouverites in general are fine folk, but that display was embarassing.
5) Chelios was the dirtiest player in the league for years, and still holds a spot in the Top Ten I'm sure.
6) What do you mean the Wings aren't a team to be proud of?
7) Your homerism is obvious, now how about some objectivity
?Agamon:
Burke can now be mentioned in the same breath as P.T. Barnum for greatest showman of all time.
I hope you're wrong about the holdout, but there's no question the NHL needs better revenue sharing.
Lady Dragon:
We do love our hockey here in Detroit don't we? Anyone who argues about the value, talent, or historical ranking of Steve Yzerman is just silly. He's one of the best players ever, and an even better team leader. I feel privileged to have grown up watching him play.
Welverin:
Ron Francis certainly deserves more attention than he's received, but he isn't of Yzerman's caliber. Then again, IMO, very few players ever have been
.Joshua Dyal:
It truly does suck that Ilitch allows the Tigers to wallow amongst the refuse of MLB, while the Wings receive everything they need to be successful . Hopefully the effort will get spread around at some point in the not-too-distant future.GO WINGS!!!
