[OT] NHL Stanley Cup Finals


3) I think hockey's biggest problem in gaining the same level of acceptance as football, basketball, etc, is simple: the cost of equipment and ice arena availability. Kids may be able to play street hockey pretty cheap, but finding open ice without getting up at 5:00am and keeping your kids in skates and gear is expensive. Since many people never play hockey, their interest level is lower than it might otherwise be. The converse of this theory is soccer which many kids in the US play, but lose interest in quickly because it's perceived as a children's game and has less immediate gratification in terms of scoring. Just my thoughts. [/B]


I'll weigh in here. I didn't give a hoot for hockey until we moved to Boston and my son started playing. I really think you need to go to hockey games to "get it." Now that I've been to many games, I can watch it on TV and get something out of it. Hockey still doesn't translate to the screen well, the plays are too distributed (compare a typical hockey play to football's start at the line of scrimmage where you can see every player at once), and often the guys off screen are important.

I think soccer suffers because there isn't a sense that something is happening. I'm not talking about scoring, but the sense that your team is making progress, even if they aren't scoring. If your hockey team keeps the puck in the other teams zone for most a period, and you watch the enemy flail while they can't clear it, you know you're in for good things. In baseball, if your team is getting hits, you can anticipate scoring; you can watch the pitcher wear down; you see hitters adjust each time thru the line up. In football, your team gains yards, consumes the clock, and your running game punishes the linebackers. You can watch receivers setting up DBs and watch the coverages change. There's a lot happening in all these sports that isn't scoring. Soccer doesn't have nearly the sense of progress. To me it's like watch an excrutiatingly slow hockey game. If I want what's good about soccer, I'll watch hockey, because the speed of the game is much greater (how long does it take a soccer player to go from one end of the field to the other? Hockey players can cover the ice in 3 or 4 seconds)

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I agree, Storminator, I never cared one flip for hockey until I moved to Detroit a few years ago. I still get folks ask me why I'm not a Dallas Stars fan every once in a while. Is anyone a Dallas Stars fan? :D

Not that I've played hockey still, but being up here where folks know about it and where we have a good team makes a lot of difference.
 

Remember that Monty Python skit where the World Cup championship game is between Greece and Germany and the teams are made up of famous philosophers? That's pretty much how I view ALL soccer games. :P

As for Hockey's mediocre popularity: Who thinks about hockey(other than hard core fans) in June?!?!

In my opinion, the NHL's biggest limitation is the fact that the Stanely Cup playoffs coincide with the NBA's playoffs. Let's face it...the NBA will probably always be more popular than the NHL, especially in large urban and southern markets where kids can play it year round for almost no cost. If given a choice between watching an NHL finals game or an NBA semi-finals game, the average sports fan will choose the latter I'm afraid. The NHL should move its season start up 3-4 weeks and maybe cut the lenght by another 2 so that the NHL finals are wrapping up during the NBA's first round. Who thinks about hockey(other than hard core fans) in June?!?!
 

Great game for the Wings. I dont think that the two goals in 13 second will hurts the Hurricanes. They will be ready for Saturday ! But if the Wings score rapidly, I will not be surprise to see Week coming in the game.

I think that the major problem with the NHL, is that they are too many team. That bring other problem like Hockey in June, and a lot of medium quality players, a lot of two game in two days, injury, etc. Maybe they can go like in baseball, with only a couple of game between the team of different conference. But I dont want that, because I like to see Montreal play again the Wings, the Hawks, Vancouver, Edmonton, etc etc.

Reducing the number of team is THE solution.... but what team can we remove ? Surely not the Habs !!! But's the fan of all team will cry like me, if we chose their team.

But, even with 100 team, I will like hockey :D

I have a question: What is a sport for you ?

For me, it's Athletes+ Competition.

With this definition, Golf is not a sport (no athletes), WWF is not a sport (no competition), etc.
 

Joshua Dyal said:
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That's completely untrue. Almost everyone in the US plays soccor as a kid, so saying we don't understand the game is BS.


Where did you grow up? In NYC, if you played soccer you were laughed out of the school yard...

oh and baseball is just as boring as soccer...[ducks slap from wife]..

oh...and one more thing...


Let's Go Rangers...


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Wel, True I did forget about that. But I keep remember close games, (Florida 96 ring a bell?) where he had the chances..and didn't finish them. Still I don't berate Brindamor for his play, just think he's not a GREAT skilled player, just a great player. Other wise I do miss Brindy. :)
 

Originally posted by Quickbeam 1) I hope those two goals 13 seconds apart last night signal the beginning of the end for the unlfappable 'Canes confidence. I'd love those two slapshots to be the harbingers of Carolina doom !!

I?m half expecting a blow out tonight. Not because Carolina plays bad but just because Detroit lays the smack down, then we?ll go back to the real tight games.

Originally posted by skulrik I think that the major problem with the NHL, is that they are too many team. That bring other problem like Hockey in June, and a lot of medium quality players, a lot of two game in two days, injury, etc. Maybe they can go like in baseball, with only a couple of game between the team of different conference. But I dont want that, because I like to see Montreal play again the Wings, the Hawks, Vancouver, Edmonton, etc etc.

Reducing the number of team is THE solution.... but what team can we remove ? Surely not the Habs !!! But's the fan of all team will cry like me, if we chose their team.

I disagree that getting rid of teams would increase popularity, the game is most popular in cities where there are teams and getting rid of them wouldn?t make things better in terms of popularity (just look at what?s happened in Carolina).

Getting rid of teams would make the game better however by weeding out less skilled players and raising the level of play, which would be a good thing.

Originally posted by Chairman_Kaga oh and baseball is just as boring as soccer...[ducks slap from wife]..

Correction baseball?s more boring.

oh...and one more thing...


Let's Go Rangers...

Don?t you mean let?s go Yankees?

Boy was it funny to hear that during Rangers game.

Originally posted by Nightfall Wel, True I did forget about that. But I keep remember close games, (Florida 96 ring a bell?) where he had the chances, and didn't finish them. Still I don't berate Brindamor for his play, just think he's not a GREAT skilled player, just a great player. Other wise I do miss Brindy.

I, too remember a lot of games where he had some good chances and just didn?t finish. Of course I think it?s just something in the water down there, because it seems to happen to every one on the team at the same time of year, hmm maybe Tom?s going down to Philly and poisoning the water, stinking rangers fan sabotaging my favorite team, who does he think he is?

Originally posted by Joshua Dyal Baseball isn't as boring as soccor because there's a lot of things happening at once and it's very strategic, golf some people like to watch because they're also avid golf players (not really very many people watch golf, though, in my experience) and backetball is hardly boring: someone scores every few minutes.

Baseball is incredibly boring. Golf I might find interesting but have no interest in finding out. I do find basketball boring a lot of the time (Knicks/Heat from the last few years is an example of exactly what I don?t like about the game).

One very important thing: scoring DOES NOT equal excitement and that?s why I can find basketball to be boring. In fact the teams score so much in basketball it makes each basket somewhat insignificant. I think this one of the reasons people might look down on hockey and soccer, what?s a 3-2 score compared to 98-90?

And hockey is interesting in spite of fewer scores, because people are always getting roughed up. That's why Americans like football too.

I?m sure there?s more to it than that. I know I like both sports and it?s not because of the roughness, though it doesn?t hurt.

Originally posted by Lady Dragon Welverin I've got news for you Americans wouldn't watch it if it were on during prime time.

I agree it doesn?t make much of a difference what time the games are on but it certainly doesn?t help. Of course not much of anyone is watching the NHL playoffs in the US either. Apparently the Wings/Avs games averaged about a 2.2 rating while some Busch series race on Fox did better, how any one can be interested in a bunch of cars going circles is beyond me.


Europeans should be glad we don't care.If they got there wish and suddenly we cared we would start leagues over here and steal all of there best players just like we do in Hockey.And we would beat them on and international level if all of our best atheletes became soccer players instead of whatever they are doing now.But they don't have anything to worry about.

You?re right about this, of course it applies to any sport. Hopefully the Chinese don?t take an interest in Football or Hockey.
 

Originally posted by Welverin
I disagree that getting rid of teams would increase popularity, the game is most popular in cities where there are teams and getting rid of them wouldn?t make things better in terms of popularity (just look at what?s happened in Carolina).

My idea is more that, if they are less club, they will have more good players in each team. And the hockey will be more exciting.

An evidence is that they are not a lot of very good hockey players, in comparaison with Soccer players for example. And it's simple to understand why: less people play the sports, and hockey is propably the more difficult sport to play. A players need to be skilled with his hand, able to skate like he walk. He must be solid, and tough. He must be fast and quick to react.

And why, the NHL want absolutly sell hockey in place where the people dont like it ? hmmmm...... I know the answer...... MONEY. In Canada, we like Hockey, more than anythin else. It's in our blood. Even my mother watch the playoff !!! But all our team are in peril :(. I hope that the new contract with the player will be raisonable.
 

So is anyone watching the game tonight. We were out and I missed most of it. less than 10 minutes left and the 'canes are up 2-1....DOH!
 

Uller said:
So is anyone watching the game tonight. We were out and I missed most of it. less than 10 minutes left and the 'canes are up 2-1....DOH!

Of course, been watching since period one. 2-2 overtime for those not watching.
 

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