[OT] Yet another martial arts help thread.....so, please help!!

Internal arts take time to cultivate and you cannot rush it.
When I began to study internal arts, after a period of time I got what is called Chi sickness.
Chi sickness blows the big one but it is worth working through. Patience and a good understanding teacher will get you through.
It took me two years to get through it and I am still learning about it.
Reiki is GREAT....Herbology is another thing that is GREAT. Acupunture and the study of the nervous system will help you greatly in areas outside the dojo/training hall.
If you really want to surprise your teacher....light touch knockouts are always interesting as well as poison hands training. Both Poison hands and LTKO's were hidden in a number of external and internal arts training and only taught to higher level practioners of many differnet arts with no explanation of what they were learning. The phrase "it just is what it is" comes to mind.
Poison Hands is found in an art called Quan Li K'an and a man named Bruce Everett Miller does seminars on it all over the country. See if your Sensei / Sifu would mind sponsoring a seminar or get the video about it ( a much cheaper alternative) for your teacher to evaluate. The book was published by CME Enterprises in 1990 so I do not know about it's current availability. I have had one copy stolen from me and I now have a spare just in case. It is explained more from a medical perspective than an eatern philosophical perspective.

The other book I recommended before and will do so again is The Encyclopedia of Dim-Mak by Erle Montaigue and Wally Simpson. The first book is the Main Meridians and the second much thinner book is about the Extra Meridians. I like it better than the other boks on the subject because of it's depth and clear explanations. This book will also help you understand what is going on to make your chi sickness period go easier.
Dr. Glenn Morris also has a book on Dim-Mak Technique but it is more esoteric in nature and can be hard to understand at times. At least for me at the time it was...now I understand it just fine.

A long time ago when I started training and looking into different arts I found that the hard Styles teach the soft but only after 5th Dan for the most part. The internal arts teach at a completly different pace but concentrate more of perfect technique. If it takes you 6 months to get that foot right every time then it is just fine in an internal art. In a hard style if the foot is off a little it is really no big deal as long as you get the job done.
Yes that was a generalization and somewhat of an exagerations and I hope the point wasn't missed.
Patience is what is a big important virtue in an internal art.

One question T:
When you feel that heat in your hands is it like pins or electricity coming out your finger tips?
When you meditate next time ...hold your hands sleightly apart to generate your chi...concentrate and try to move it down your arm. Once you get it down to the shoulder roll it back to your hand and out your finger tips. Start to get the chi to flow to different parts of your body.
Once you start to do things like this ..try to do it when your working out...it will be difficult at first but you will feel fantastic when your workout is done.
Hope this helps,
Darius
 

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And I return....

Sorry for the lack of posting recently....some issues kept me form my computer.....

Firstly I must say that I absolutely LOVE the content of this thread.....one of the best martial art reads in a while....

But I still...I am looking for the art I should go with.....maybe my physical specifics will help you a bit.....I am 174 cm tall and weight about 76-78 kg....nothing special.....

So I thought about fighting my aversion to grappling and going the jiu-jitsu route......but are the locks and throws applicable in a self-defense situation?? Cause it is quite easy to throw a punch, but hard to get a good lock/throw......at least from my experience....

Still waiting for posts......thanx!!!
 

So I thought about fighting my aversion to grappling and going the jiu-jitsu route......but are the locks and throws applicable in a self-defense situation?? Cause it is quite easy to throw a punch, but hard to get a good lock/throw......at least from my experience....

They can be but remember every situation is different.
I gave you two examples of street fights and in both there was no opertunity to graple. They just happened so fast there wasn't a chance.

My Wing Chun teacher said grappling will not happen in a real fight. I have only had one where it did. This guy I fought was another Martial Artist and is probably the only reason I got into any grapling at all.

Do what you think will be best for your fighting...self-defense is a type of self preservation. Fight to live not live to fight.
I think there should be enough information here to help you make an informed choice. Go to class see what the guys you will be training with are like.

Enjoy,
Darius
 

Some shao lin kung fu or wado kai is always good if you are looking for some advanced back-and-forth fighting skills, as well as side stepping and sweeps, catching kicks, grappling, all the other good stuff. Of course if you go that route you might want to check out the brazillian goshin jistu kyu juju for the hard style version.
 

I think what has served me the best in a fight for self-defense is timing, sweeps and adrenalin.

Shaolin is always fun to train in but finding a reputable school is the question. This is a challenge if you are inexperienced in Martial Arts at all. There was even a Shaolin School selling videos and My buddies and I got a few. We were very surprised to see how bad their technique looked on this tape when compared to the actual video we had of the monks from the real temple in China.

Wado is interesting in that you develop the feel that you need to respond to combat. I have only seen it in demonstration though and it was intrigueing.

Praying Mantis has also always intrigued me for some reason. It is just a beatuiful art to watch along with being very effective.

I am trying to think of that full contact art that is taught in Colorado but for the life of me I cannot think of it's name. Hopefully my friend or someone here can rememeber what I am thinking of. They have a big full contact competition every Year in Denver and it is open to all Martial Arts. They use grappling and regular fighting techniques quite effectively. I believe it is a form of Karate and the teachers name is Ninomya. I hope to edit this post tonight if I can.
**Edit*** Well I almost had it right. This contest is called the Sabaki Challenge and it is put on by the Enshin karate Group. The Master's Name is Ninomiya. They have taken on many diverse arts and people from all over the world. I have seen them fight against Savat, Karate (shotokan and Ishenryu), Ninjutsu, Jui Jitsu and Judo among others. Devastating art...in the demonstration I have watched the master breaks 4 baseball bats at one time with a shin kick.


Darius
 
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zdanboy,

If you have a good jui-jitsu school in your area I would highly recommend spending some time there training. Knowing the ground game is a vital element to winning street fights. As far as locks go in an actual street fight they are incidental or accidental. What I mean by that is if you are in a fight with an opponent bent on your destruction you are not going to rush in and look for a wrist lock. Where locks come into play is when you are in the fight and the chance to apply a lock just happens to present itself. It is nothing you went looking for but just happened to be there. Locks also come in handy when you are dealing with some one who you do not want to pound into the ground, drunken friends come to mind. As far as throws go, a properly executed throw will pretty much end the fight IMO. Not that throws are the be all and end all of techniques but they are definately worth having in your "toolbox of techniques."

I am glad this thread is continuing and I hope this helps you in your decision making process.

Decado
 

Maybe I'm a bit late, but I'd like to chime in with a quick point.

Consider Muay Thai. It is a technically simple (that's an advantage!) fighting system geared for sport competition, but is also a fantastic base for striking training. I trained American style boxing/kickboxing for years, and recently added the Muay Thai kicks to my repertoire for their sheer power. I've trained with a few different Muay Thai schools, and have great respect for the fighters I've met there.

Don't listen to the haters: Judo is a fine fighting system. Judo's emphasis on 'stand up grappling' is a fantastic combative base, the training is tough, and most schools I've run accross do train submission fighting to one degree or another (even though it isn't officially part of the sport).

A lot of American Judo schools are run by people with wrestling backgrounds, so they place a high emphasis on conditioning as well.

Wherever you go, you're going to want to attain peak conditioning, not only for the fighting benifits, but for the overall quality of life benifits as well. Some schools place no emphasis on this at all, while others make conditioning a core element of their curriculum.

You can check out http://www.mattfurey.com/conditioning_book.html. Matt Furey's Combat Conditioning book will teach you the basics of bodyweight calesthenics, which will put you over the top both in your matches and in everyday life. The exercises are not complicated, but they will whoop your behind.

Have fun, keep an open mind, and remember, there are fantastic techniques in every martial arts system. There are no bad choices. Trying to compare systems in terms of which is 'better' than the other is operating from a false assumption.

Personally, I say train with whatever seems the most rewarding, and cross-train with other systems as much as you can.

It's in vogue right now to think about your martial practice in terms of "street fighting", and people use this mythical "street reality" as a measuring stick for martial worthiness, but remember this-- a good fighter knows how to impose his fightng paradigm, period. If you want to stand up and throw hands, you learn how to make your opponent swing with you, and if you want to put submissions on them, you'll learn how to take them to the ground.

But "street fighting" isn't the only reason (or even the best reason) to undertake a lifetime of martial practice. You'll want something that resonates with you, fits the kind of person you are, and helps you to become the kind of person you want to be.

Listen to your gut-- it won't steer you wrong.
 

Hey out ther ezdanboy and others. Good to see this thread still moving along so well. Darius, don't worry about the sleep thing, I never really have slept all that much, and its worth it to me to see the exchange of ideas.

takyris: I'll have to sort of second what was said on something to "take back" to your school. Preasure point fighting and application of techniques are an excellent thing to re-introduce into the curriculm{SP} of a good school There are a couple of approaches that are generally taken to applying the points, through extensive study of bunkai, or looking at movement sets, like the short techniques in kempo for application.

If your involved in the use of traditional forms/kata, the bunkai approach has the most reqards I think. The reason being that you put some life and real reason for training in these forms back into the school. It can also help those practiciioners who love their art, but are on the verg of burn-out get really fired up again. I've been working with some folks who train using George Dillman as a guide on preasure point application. The books are excellent because of the way the points are explained, both medically and in the Chinese meridians, along with the angles/method of attack for the best result. That and they accept anyone willing to train and apply movments that are nearlly universal in martial arts. I'd recommend his series of books on the subject of preasure point fighting and tuite, along with Pattrick MacArthy's version of the Bubishi.

Internal training in the arts, it can be an odd and confusing thing really. In the style I started in, a branch of Okinawan Shorin Ryu, internal training wasn't not pushed on anyone. Heck, I didn't even know if my Sensei knew anything involving such matters until after I had aquired my shodan. Then he just sets me up with a few very simple exersizes for outside of class, saying it became more important to under stand meditation techniques and energy flow as you progressed.{BTW, never confuse/fail to differentiate between Japanese and Okinawan systems. Despite the closeness culturally, its insulting to either parts when the differences aren't at least acknowledged} While these exersizes helped me realise how to actively move energy within the body, kata/forms training is often acknowledged as one of the best ways to generate internal energies. The body's own movements, especially the roll and torque of the torso moving the hara or tantian{SP} gets things really flowing, and properly done forms will really light you up. I've previously named the Tai Chi Classics as a good starting book, containing meditation methods and a good section on energy application. Other works on Qi Gong will give you good indications of what to do to build energy, what sort of effects diet, sleep, sexual practices and meditation will have on your training.

zdanboy, I can't leave you out sir, just can't. If your interested in jujitsu, go for th training, it can certainly be worth investigating the ground game if nothing else. Having at least basic knowledge of takedowns , their counters is a very good thing for a striker to have. While I don't personally favor ground fighitng, and think that its importance has been played up by those seeking to gain fanancial benefit from it, it is a skill worth having.

Darius and all others, one more good tournament type fight to watch is the Shidokan Open. The last few finals were held in Chicago. Its full contact, bare fisted fighting, with throws. No face punches or elbows to the head for the first three rounds, but kicks to the legs and head, as well as knees to the head are allowed. Throws with follow up striking are allowed at all points during the fight. After the third round gloves go on, something like a 6 or 8 oz. boxing glove and face contact with the fists is then allowed. You can win by KO or points/decision. I've never seen a point scored though as it takes what the ref considers perfect exicution of a throw and follow up to get that point. Fighters will fight all rounds of the finals within one night, usually just a few hours for four or five fights. I've seen some great shows of fighting spirit, all styles are welcome and there are mens and women's divisions for both black belts and under belts, though the men's black belt division is the main draw.

That's it for now though. Night folks.

Kail
 

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If it's one thing the Mixed Martial Art fights taught us, is that people don't go down in 1 hit. Those fights were dominated by "Sport Fighters" while the Tradtionilist and Street Fighters were beaten out of the scene (literally).
 

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