Pathfinder 1E Pathfinder overhaul suggestions, pt. 2

[Aeson]

Have you posted this at Paizo's site? It's an interesting idea they may want to look at it.

 

[Freakohollik]

So we allow buffs and debuffs of the same type to "stack" with each other? In that case I am guessing buffs of one type still do not stack with buffs of the same type, and likewise for debuffs. If thats the case I think it would be easier to think of it as 6 categories, where you have your magic buff, magic debuff, morale buff, morale debuff, circumstance buff, and circumstance debuff.

Also in your post you mention that since there are only 3 buff types, you can only have 3 buffs on you at any time. Does this mean if someone casts a +AC spell on you and someone else casts a +Saves spell on you don't get both?

Some nuances, but I really like this idea. Have you posted this on the paizo forums? Last I was there everyone was talking about their own ideas and ignoring everyone else.

 

[Freakohollik]

Oops.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Sounds like a good approach that will remove a lot of the recalculation headache. Let's hope something of this goes into Pathfinder...

 

[joela]

Paizo

I'm liking the simplification as well. Although Power Bonus seems like it should just be called Magic Bonus (less 4e sounding, to boot).

I hope Jason and the other Paizo staff begins to visit here to contribute to these discussions.

-peter

I believe Jason's at Origins this week.

 

[joela]

link

Have you posted this at Paizo's site? It's an interesting idea they may want to look at it.

I believe this is the link .

 

[Wulf Ratbane]

I used power bonus because most effects that grant morale bonuses are also magical in nature. Maybe I should go for "prowess bonus"?

Are there any internals that aren't ability scores?

FWIW I believe Hero system makes a distinction between base and derived attributes.

As I hinted above, personally I don't see any need to actually reduce the named bonus types (morale, enhancement, inherent, sacred, deflection, etc.). The actual number of different named bonuses don't bother me; and actually I like that the definitions are extensible. (It's also more backwards compatible.)

I believe the actual problem is on-the-fly (mid-combat) recalculation, and the short-term/long-term split alone should fix it:

1) Short term buffs/debuffs have a short casting time, and can only affect externals.

2) Long term buffs/debuffs have a long (non-combat) casting time, and can only affect internals.

 

[Mustrum_Ridcully]

Speed might actually be considered an internal attribute - it affects your Jump skill modifier, for example. Not that it matters as much as attack bonus or Reflex, but well, it's there.

 

[boerngrim]

I think you're on to something here RangerWickett. Ability damage, ability drain, negative levels, Righteous Might, Bull's Strength, etc., which all affect internal numbers have repeatedly ground sessions to a stand still while everyone does the math.

 

[Nifft]

2) Long term buffs/debuffs have a long (non-combat) casting time, and can only affect internals.

No, because dispel.

Cheers, -- N