[pbp] Recruitment for SMACK: Seriously Munchkinistic Acts of Casual Killing!

[reapersaurus]

As far as tactics, the beauty of a caster with access to all spell lists and ridiculous amounts of metamagic can pull off any of the many high level caster no-superDC based smackdowns. The idea is a foundation. But in a sense, he will have multiple different smackdowns prepared at any given time.

You just answered your own question, Matt.

I hope you are not seriously forwarding the rules proposition that an undead (i.e. a creature with NO BLOOD) can use its own blood and penalties to a CON score which it doesn't have to allow for all kinds of infinite-metamagic nonsense?

It sounds too good to be true for a REASON. LOL

And BTW: Jeph - I know this is a power-gaming exercise and all, but shouldn't there be SOME limits?
Are you thinking of having undead in the adventure?
How about evil characters?

For myself, I'm planning on playing a cleric/paladin multiclass, so unless we want to have a fight amongst the party in the first meeting, I wasn't imagining that evil characters would be included in the Smackdowns.

Matt, I hope you don't take my words as attacking you - it's just that that Akutenshi Smack was whack ever since you posted it, but I held my tongue before. If you're planning on using it in this thread, it has to be more analyzed, rules-wise. And just one ability of the Akutenshi alone (Invisibility at will) makes it around a +4 ECL, doesn't it? (Not to mention Disrupt Ki AT WILL, and that little Shapechange perk)

Can you use a different smack?
One that doesn't involve that Shadowlands nonsense? (IMO)

 

[DM_Matt]

I think tha those rules do indeed work. Some undead do have blood. Akus obviously do. So, traditionally, do vampires.

I might go for a fighter smack instead, though, which involves a level of maho-bujin, because unless there are alignment restrictions involved, the first level of MB is more or less a no-brainer in a fighter smack unless you REALLY need that one last feat.

I'm sorry taht you think taht all the Shadowlands stuff is nonsense. Personally, I think that dual-weilding shields is nonsense too. IIRC, you last version of him had Iajutsu...Do you plan on Iajutsuing with two shields, too?

 

[garyh]

Jeph, are you sure there'll be no 4CtF? Basically, I'd like to just advance my Bruk sug Hlak PC (see link in my sig). I would switch out the greataxe to either a falchion or greatsword (for critically goodness) and maybe slap on a half-dragon template, but that'd be the general idea.

 

[reapersaurus]

LOL, Matt - yup, I included Iajutsu Focus on a dual-shield-wielder to point out how stupid the skill is.
It completely violates one of the principles of 3E, which is that skills shouldn't affect combat.
The skill states that any melee attack can be used for Iajutsu...

On a side note, I can't stand any Smack that involves that skill because of it.
Probably similar to your distates for a dual-shield Smack (which seems quite reasonable to me). Different tastes.

Your point about any fighter-type taking one level of Maho-Bujin is well-made: why NOT double your number of attacks?
Every single melee character should have one level of MB if they're trying to maximise damage.

Oh, wait.
There's that part about selling your soul, and being a pawn of Evil that might get in the way of playing one.
From the way I read it, a Maho-Bujin is an NPC PrC.
Not only would it not be able to exist outside of the Shadowlands (my call - due to its reliance on the Taint for existing), but they shouldn't have any freewill - "unlucky ones are transformed... into living servants of evil."

How could they realistically work in any party?

 

[Jeph]

Okay, first off, sorry for not posting yesterday, internet trouble.

Second off, Matt, please read the following: UNDEAD DON'T HAVE BLOOD! Okay? Remember, only 4 characters will be in the actual thread, and arguing won't increase your chances.

Third off, everyone feel free to be evil, just don't complain about the consequences.

Fourth off, Reapersaurus, I got a two-part email from you that I can't combine. Do you know how I can do this? I have a Macintosh Cube (g4) if it helps.

Fifth off, Garyh, I know bruk (i'm in that thread, neh?), and weather or not you can use 4ctf depends strongly on Reaper's respons to the above.

Sixth off, remember, three more slots!

 

[garyh]

Fifth off, Garyh, I know bruk (i'm in that thread, neh?), and weather or not you can use 4ctf depends strongly on Reaper's respons to the above.

I believe so. I lose track sometimes.

Let me know what you decide.

 

[Sollir Furryfoot]

I'll toss my hat into the ring, I have several concepts I came up with...

Several concepts:

Maximized Delayed Blast Coldball Energy Admixtured with Acid and Sonic anyone? 360 damage total, you can store them in gloves of storing, and use practically an infinite amount easily. In the hands of an insane character, this might prove fun. You can easily use 2 for 720 damage in a round or conceivably use all of them that you want since its a free action to retrieve them. Nicknamed 'Harley Bomb' for the character I created, oh yeah-Spell Thematics so it comes with Fireworks effects

Uses: Sor 6/Incantrix 10 or Wiz 5/Incantrix 10/Archmage 1

Shadow Human Penumbral Lord-path to near invulnerability, ability to attack without fear of retaliation and even mord's disjuntion won't help versus him.

Uses: Shadow template (MotP) +1, Wiz 7/Penumbral Lord 10, could be downgraded to Penumbral Lord 8 and be effective but not as effective. Shadow template isn't necessary since regeneration (which helps cast spells up to 6th level for practically free) can be gained through other means.

Hide Life+Arcana Form, includes ability to not be touched by spell effects, cast infinite spells per day, and with some other spells cast around 4 spells per round.

Uses: Unfortunately, can't be used until 17th level, course, could be supplemented with Scrolls but that isn't as fun


I have a couple others as well Though I'm leaning towards my first concept

Soooooo, any limit on the books we can use? I just got the BoVD today, and I'm still looking for a few loopholes

 

[Jeph]

Since, as we have stated before, ECL is not CR, and the Shadow template get's some pretty powerful abilities (like, basically, 9/10 cover ALL THE TIME), I'd assign it ECL +2 or 3.

Garyh, you are now free to use 4CTF.

Well, that's 6 people so far. 2 slots left!

-Jeph

 

[Jeremy]

Netbook of Feats? Book of Eldritch Might? Magic of Faerun? All good?

Epic Level Handbook? There's some good stuff in there (many shot, improved multiweapon fighting), that's high level but sub 21st level.

Enemies and Allies? Silver Marches? Other Wizards of the Coast books like that that don't get much love?

 

[reapersaurus]

LOL Isn't the Netbook of Feats just fan-produced?
Not exactly published material, eh?
(edit: actually, most of that stuff MIGHT be more balanced than some of the published stuff that's being considered. LOL)

(I'm working on the ShieldBasher currently - Jeph - I'm VERY interested in that cat-based race. I can't find anything good with multiple arms or a bonus to CHA. Maybe that cat race would fit the character and help me finalize some choices.
The wemic really doesn't cut it, and is too high of ECL. )

edit: Is there anything that increases the multiplier of damage that you do when performing a Flying Charge?