Pineapple Express: Someone Is Wrong on the Internet?

[Reynard]

I found the European.

 

[Scribe]

I've got this rant just chilling in the back of my mind, but I dont even care enough to write it out currently.

TLDR? Mushroom is king.

 

[Umbran]

I stand corrected. Honestly, I should have remembered kappa maki at the very least.

Are we happy with the definition that cannoli cannot be sushi unless it includes vinegar. Preferably, as @Umbran notes, a nice fermented fish vinegar.

Maybe, @Snarf Zagyg, it is this lack of fermented fish vinegar that is at the heart of your dislike of cannoli.

The modern is typically rice vinegar, not fish vinegar. I don't even know what "fish vinegar" is. Vinegar is what you get when you allow fermentation processes to go farther than making alcohol - and that fermentation process needs sugars, which fish isn't rich in. But if someone had a cite on that, I'd be interested.

And, anyway, cannoli couldn't be sushi, in general. Cannoli is only structurally analogous to maki, specifically.

 

[Cadence]

I was expecting the "Is Sushi a Cannoli or is Cannoli a Sushi?" things to pop up on google, but I wasn't expecting...

"Sushi Cannoli Roll - Adding to our Savoury Collection is Cannoli Crunch's version of a Sushi Roll. Our crispy, crunch pastry shell is wrapped with seaweed and gently filled with creamy, smooth ricotta and smoked salmon. Our Italian/Japanese blend is perfect for brunch, lunch or as an appetizer! 楽しみ (Enjoy!)"



from SUSHI ROLL CANNOLI

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

It's not that my heart is naturally filled with hate. Rather, I cultivate it in my heart, like a rose. Carefully tending to the flames and fires of antipathy, such that even the blackest cockles of that vestigial organ are naught more than a vessel to allow the darkest impulses of my being full flight, unmediated by the guardrails of empathy, sympathy, or any pathies that might be confused with compassion. It's not that I necessarily abhor the companionship of my fellow person, it's more that when I encounter someone, I always think to myself, "Self, maybe I should buy them a toaster for their bathtub."

I’m casting you in a lampoon of an old TV show with Robert Culp & Bill Cosby: “I Spite”.

 

[Hussar]

Looking up the history, it is a little more complicated than that.

The ancestral dish was probably (transliterated as) "narezushi" which was fish fermented in rice for preservation. The resulting dish was sour, and the term "sushi" means "sour tasting" - which today is reflected in the use of a small amount of vinegar in the rice.

But, to say that the current term "sushi" refers to the rice would be like saying the modern term "pizza" refers to the bread. While historically, there's a reference to an ingredient there, in modern use it is the name of the overall dish.

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How do you ferment something in rice?

 

[Cadence]

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How do you ferment something in rice?

Isn't Sake fermented rice?

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

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How do you ferment something in rice?

It’s a starchy plant. Starches can be broken down into glucose, which in turn get made into ethanol by friendly microbes.

Speaking of rice…

 

[Hussar]

Isn't Sake fermented rice?

Ok. That makes more sense than whatever da heck was going through my brain.

LOL

I'll be over in the corner hanging my head.

 

[Cadence]

Ok. That makes more sense than whatever da heck was going through my brain.

LOL

I'll be over in the corner hanging my head.

I confess that at first my brain went to just shoving stuff into a bag of rice and I saw where you were coming from. And then I remembered Sake...