Pineapple Express: Someone Is Wrong on the Internet?

[overgeeked]

A: "But you can't change X because Y would happen."

B: "That's the point. I want Y to happen. I like Y."

A: <panicked screaming>

 

[Thomas Shey]

In the United States at least, homes are very much about maintaining the amount of money one has, as well as enjoyment and security. That’s the point of home equity. Whether an HOA is necessary to do that is something that I question.

Yeah, the overdependence on home value as a resource is, to say the least, not ideal, but probably to be expected in a country where home values are as high as they usually are.

 

[Scribe]

I think Daggerheart and Shadowdark solve so many of D&Ds current problems, that the unholy love child of all 3 just needs to exist.

 

[pukunui]

Yeah, the overdependence on home value as a resource is, to say the least, not ideal, but probably to be expected in a country where home values are as high as they usually are.

It’s long been a problem here in NZ too.

Housing No Longer NZ’s Economic Heroin | Stuff.co.nz

 

[Staffan]

In the United States at least, homes are very much about maintaining the amount of money one has, as well as enjoyment and security. That’s the point of home equity. Whether an HOA is necessary to do that is something that I question.

That may be something you desire as a home owner, but maintaining your property values is not the job of your neighbor (as long as they don't commit vandalism or such). Also, someone who would object to lack of conformity is not someone you want as a neighbor anyway.

See, I'm approaching this from the axiomatic angle that enforced conformity is bad. There can be good reasons for regulating things (e.g. safety), but conformity is almost never one. This applies to things like dress codes as well: unless there's a good reason for enforcing a particular way of dressing (e.g. a uniform for being immediately identifiable, or safety gear), people should be able to dress however they want.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Increasingly so. My web searches have been flagged as "possible bot activity" multiple times, over the last month. OK, I don't really show a lot of emotion most of the time and have RBF, but BOT?!

 

[dragoner]

Conform or be cast out!

 

[trappedslider]

Cool. So we can stop doing these stupid things, right?

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[Cadence]

That may be something you desire as a home owner, but maintaining your property values is not the job of your neighbor (as long as they don't commit vandalism or such). Also, someone who would object to lack of conformity is not someone you want as a neighbor anyway.

I also don't want a neighbor with a yard of unconstrained bamboo, kudzu and tree of heaven, eight dogs and a rooster, perpetually boarded up windows, three cars in the yard up on blocks, and razor wire topped 10' fence*. Calling even minimal requirements for upkeep a demand for conformity seems odd to me. But maybe not as odd as a lot of HOA covenants on the other end. And I can certainly see where opening up the can of worms about what is an ok minimal requirements risks bad things and I would err on the side of less constraints.

Anyway, as far as upkeep, it might not be the neighbors job, but it might be their legal requirement. I feel awful for folks whose only affordable and available places to live have overly arduous requirements.

* if some of those cross into safety problems, back them up a bit

See, I'm approaching this from the axiomatic angle that enforced conformity is bad. There can be good reasons for regulating things (e.g. safety), but conformity is almost never one. This applies to things like dress codes as well: unless there's a good reason for enforcing a particular way of dressing (e.g. a uniform for being immediately identifiable, or safety gear), people should be able to dress however they want.

I am having a hard time thinking that a business that wants its office employees to wear, say, business casual and doesn't allow beachwear and Crocs is being evil. On the other end I can also rant for a while about things I think some school districts do that are horrible, am glad I don't work somewhere that requires jacket and tie, and think the attire required for some job interviews is horrible unfair.

 

[overgeeked]

I think Daggerheart and Shadowdark solve so many of D&Ds current problems, that the unholy love child of all 3 just needs to exist.

I agree completely. I'm not sure we'd entirely agree on what bits and pieces should be included though.