Pineapple Express: Someone Is Wrong on the Internet?

[Parmandur]

I don't get the whole negativity thing. I just don't.

I mean, I was pretty vocal about not liking The Acolyte. I liked the first couple of episodes but the next three just turned me off and I haven't bothered watching the others. I might get around to it, I dunno. I just didn't like the show. And, after voicing my opinion, probably more than I should have, I dropped out of the thread and stopped posting because, well, why keep yucking in someone's yum?

And people who are now doing donuts on the grave because the show has been cancelled? Yeah, they 100% suck. Those are crap people. Look, I might not like the show, but, I'm not going to suddenly be happy because other people can't watch it. Who has so little self esteem that the only way they feel good is by crapping on other people's fun? I just don't get the negativity.

I hope Disney changes their mind and does another season. I really do. I most likely won't watch it, but, that's fine. I have other stuff I can watch.

I just cannot understand people who need to jump into EVERY SINGLE THREAD and bitch about WotC. Dragging up stuff from the past that's already been resolved or probably wasn't true in the first place in order to "prove" that their dislike of WotC is somehow justified. As if you ever needed a justification for not liking something.

I find myself confining myself to a couple or three threads on En World now because I just cannot be bothered with the constant stream of negativity. Fandoms suck.

I mean, if I don't like a pizza place, I just don't go there and don't talk about it. Constantly ranting about something like that is distinctly unhealthy.

 

[Bedrockgames]

Sure. But there is criticism and then there is sexism justified as criticism.

Sure but there is also just pointing to any criticisms as that (or some other social ill or toxic behavior). There are criticisms I find incredibly irritating for example. I don't think this quite files under the aforementioned label, but there was a trend online of people just declaring Starship Troopers the movie objectively bad, because they had a list of reasons it either failed as a satire or wasn't in line enough with the book. My memory is most of the arguments revolved around the satire issue. I thought, and still think, this was a pretty closed minded argument. I also disagreed with it. And I didn't like the forceful way it was being made (I am cool with people not liking a movie, but I don't like when people basically just scream it in your face or won't even listen to your points in a polite way about why you don't share their view. And it was a bit annoying seeing it become almost a kind of consensus online in som places (I would liken this to the weird new consensus among some youtube commentators that Jimi Hendrix is overrated or was too sloppy a player----to kind of rewrite the narrative of guitar history). But all that said, I'd rather not write off all those people doing the criticism or find an easy way to dismiss them. There may have been some people taking that position for political reasons even (and political reasons I very strongly disagree with). But we are at a point where we are hating each other over our opinions over movies. Yes there are probably people using criticism as a veil for their sexism or racism. I think there is a real danger in seeing that in everything (just like there is a danger in reading any kind of evil in a person's criticism or praise of a film). Especially if that is being used to dismiss people who are just passionate about a franchise. It is kind of like when people say fans of a show or the writers of a show, who are taking it in a new and different direction, want to destroy it (or worse want to destroy the culture). Some people are using these things to engage in a broader cultural conflict. I don't think we should give in to that. And some corporations are cynically using that context to make it taboo to criticize their products

Where my personal line in all this is is when people go after individuals and beyond simply criticizing content. Dragging an actress through the mud for example or trying to paint a show runner as having a particular agenda. People get passionate about franchises they like, they get upset when franchises go in directions they think are not working. And people get upset when others are critical of shows or movies going in directions they love. People are treating this like it's a zero sum game in sudden death overtime. Neither of these camps are going away. People are going to have to learn to talk to each other and live with each other having very different opinions about media and not see the devil in the other side all the time

 

[Ryujin]

Sure but there is also just pointing to any criticisms as that (or some other social ill or toxic behavior). There are criticisms I find incredibly irritating for example. I don't think this quite files under the aforementioned label, but there was a trend online of people just declaring Starship Troopers the movie objectively bad, because they had a list of reasons it either failed as a satire or wasn't in line enough with the book. My memory is most of the arguments revolved around the satire issue. I thought, and still think, this was a pretty closed minded argument. I also disagreed with it. And I didn't like the forceful way it was being made (I am cool with people not liking a movie, but I don't like when people basically just scream it in your face or won't even listen to your points in a polite way about why you don't share their view. And it was a bit annoying seeing it become almost a kind of consensus online in som places (I would liken this to the weird new consensus among some youtube commentators that Jimi Hendrix is overrated or was too sloppy a player----to kind of rewrite the narrative of guitar history). But all that said, I'd rather not write off all those people doing the criticism or find an easy way to dismiss them. There may have been some people taking that position for political reasons even (and political reasons I very strongly disagree with). But we are at a point where we are hating each other over our opinions over movies. Yes there are probably people using criticism as a veil for their sexism or racism. I think there is a real danger in seeing that in everything (just like there is a danger in reading any kind of evil in a person's criticism or praise of a film). Especially if that is being used to dismiss people who are just passionate about a franchise. It is kind of like when people say fans of a show or the writers of a show, who are taking it in a new and different direction, want to destroy it (or worse want to destroy the culture). Some people are using these things to engage in a broader cultural conflict. I don't think we should give in to that. And some corporations are cynically using that context to make it taboo to criticize their products

Where my personal line in all this is is when people go after individuals and beyond simply criticizing content. Dragging an actress through the mud for example or trying to paint a show runner as having a particular agenda. People get passionate about franchises they like, they get upset when franchises go in directions they think are not working. And people get upset when others are critical of shows or movies going in directions they love. People are treating this like it's a zero sum game in sudden death overtime. Neither of these camps are going away. People are going to have to learn to talk to each other and live with each other having very different opinions about media and not see the devil in the other side all the time

I will not respond.... I will not respond.... I will not respond....

 

[Scribe]

Yeah. It’s a real pain that I can’t scare up enough interest in the games I actually want to play most times but there’s so much interest in a game I don’t want to play that paying people to run it is now fairly common.

Not much we can personally do but advocate for the type of game, or system we want. Be the change, and all that.

 

[Hussar]

God that’s a breath of fresh air. News with zero negativity. Hope it lasts.

 

[RealAlHazred]

Normalize the way some Southerners talk about sodas, for RPGing.

Server - OK, what sort of drink would you like with that.
Customer - Could I get a Coke?
Server - What kind?
Customer - Sprite.

Substitute D&D

Potential Player - OK, what sort of game are you playing?
GM - D&D
Potential Player - What kind?
GM - Shadowrun.

Bless your heart!

 

[prabe]

Bless your heart!

That seems uncalled-for, here.

 

[Ryujin]

Bless your heart!

What did I say to call for THAT?

I might be a Canadian, but I am bilingual in Southern

 

[Thomas Shey]

Yeah, everyone's second favourite (or only available) game and all that, I get it. I'm just looking around lately at all these other options and going 'man, why have I been paying any attention at all to people who just dont get it, they can take a long walk...'

If one doesnt care, and is happy enough to play whatever they can get, more power to them, but its just not for me when there is so much out there that is so much better.

I still think "doesn't care" and "happy enough" is doing a lot of heavy lifting in that sentence. Its really easy to have spent more than a little time trying to put a game together with ones system(s) of choice and having no luck. At that point it comes down to the stark decision of whether you want to play something, or not play at all. That's where the position of "No gaming is better than bad gaming" comes in, but the measurement of what constitutes "bad" starts being pretty critical, and its a moving target for people over time in both directions. Its easy to hit a fair number of people who are somewhere near the border of that and haven't convinced themselves to get out, but aren't really happy either.

(As I said, it can go the opposite direction, too; there was a time when I would have found even the most basic D20isms in games like PF2e, Shadow of the Demon Lord and 13th Age (classes, level elevating hit points, treatment of armor as a thing modifying to-hit) too annoying to want anything to do with, but I've either played or GMed all three in the last few years and managed to enjoy them reasonably, because I was able to focus on the parts of the games I did like. But that was distinctly a change).

 

[trappedslider]

Bless your heart!