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[Ryujin]

Kirk has the benefit of not being written by a single person, episodically, and in the 1960s, under somewhat more tolerance for inconsistent characterization.

Each can make up their own mind if those fallibilities are sufficient to have him escape the trope.

Perhaps, but Roddenberry held a very tight rein on his original baby. He wouldn't have let his ideal for the characters stray very far from his outline.

 

[overgeeked]

Perhaps, but Roddenberry held a very tight rein on his original baby. He wouldn't have let his ideal for the characters stray very far from his outline.

Unfortunately, yes. He started it all but also nearly strangled it to death with his vision. The franchise got a lot more interesting once he was no longer around to keep that death grip. Utopias are great to want to live in, but they're atrocious for entertainment.

 

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[MichaelSomething]

I just want express gratitude for being an Enworlder. Thanks to the crucible of TTRPG discussion that is this site, I am far more empowered and capable in TTRPGs than the average players. Things that can destroy lesser players are no match for my skill and judgement. I pity those who are trapped in the pits of mediocrity created by today's TTRPG environment.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

It's similar to saying, "Look, you can call any guy a 'Karen,' so what's the big deal?"

Johnny Cash has entered the chat.

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

And it certainly isn't only a fanfic thing - Diane Carey's 1986 Trek novel Dreadnought! has a main character (Cadet Piper, who manages to almost out-Kirk the Kobyashi Maru in the first scene of the book) that's pretty commonly seen as a Mary Sue.

Tangent: that is literally the only Star Trek novel I’ve ever read.

 

[Velderan]

I am now bringing you this VERY IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT.

On Saturday, the Florida Panthers are facing the ... checks notes .... Edmonton Oilers (??!!??) in the first game of the Stanley Cup!

For those of you who don't know, the Stanley Cup is an award given to the best field hockey team in the world. checks notes No, wait, it's the best air hockey team!

Ahem. Apparently, I have been misled. It is an award to the best ice hockey team in the world.....

....in North America.

Sorry. The best ice hockey team amongst the teams in Canada and American (aka, real 'Murkiuh, aka, the United States therof). Anyway, the winner gets a giant cup filled with Molson beer and Tim Hortons donuts to take home to their city.

This matchup is an historic battle between the two well-known hotbeds of snow sports- Edmonton, which is apparently a collection of igloos and drunken bison in Canada, and Broward County, Florida, which is known for elderly people wearing black socks with sandals.

Anyway, I am making this announcement because I need everyone here rooting for the Florida team. One of my long-running references* is that Canada hasn't won a Stanley Cup since 1993. I think it's important that we all root for Canada to keep that streak alive! After all, we wouldn't want them to lose that streak, because no one like a loser.


*True fact- I only have two. Not all my facts are guaranteed to be true. Or facts.

3 down, 1 to go..

 

[Umbran]

Tangent: that is literally the only Star Trek novel I’ve ever read.

That's unfortunate, as... well, I don't feel it is very good.

I'd recommend How Much for Just the Planet, by John M. Ford, in which the Federation and Klingons compete over a planet that defends itself in farcical ways. Very, very non-canon, but a lot of fun.

Ford also wrote The Final Reflection which has a fascinating alternate image of Klingons - it was written before they'd solidified Klingons as a "warrior race", and imagined them instead valuing strategy more than personal battle prowess. We get the idea that Klingons are, in a sense, honorable, from this book.

Come to think of it, Ford was also a game writer and designer - The Klingons for the FASA Star Trek RPG, and Yellow Clearance Black Box Blues for WEGs Paranoia, and GURPS Time Travel were his work.

 

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[Ryujin]

That's unfortunate, as... well, I don't feel it is very good.

I'd recommend How Much for Just the Planet, by John M. Ford, in which the Federation and Klingons compete over a planet that defends itself in farcical ways. Very, very non-canon, but a lot of fun.

Ford also wrote The Final Reflection which has a fascinating alternate image of Klingons - it was written before they'd solidified Klingons as a "warrior race", and imagined them instead valuing strategy more than personal battle prowess. We get the idea that Klingons are, in a sense, honorable, from this book.

Come to think of it, Ford was also a game writer and designer - The Klingons for the FASA Star Trek RPG, and Yellow Clearance Black Box Blues for WEGs Paranoia, and GURPS Time Travel were his work.

The FASA take on Klingons was my foundation for how I believed they should be. It explained the differences in their look from TOS to NG with cross breeding and genetics. It was, at the time, considered universe canon. Until it wasn't.