Player problems

mythago said:
You shouldn't have to. Please see previous reply.

Well, thats the way it is. Although, later this year, he is going to go to a community college. Which hopefully means, he will be too busy studying to play. Although that is far off, i can at least look forward to it..
 

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Magius del Cotto said:
Hm... Probably the best thing you can do for (to?) him is to point him to the boards and have him look through how other groups interact. He thinks that Player vs GM is the only "real" type of D&D experience out there? Post a poll, let the users put in a good number of votes, and then show him the results. You should get some good commentary on the different styles of play as well, and you never know, you might find a new style of play that you've just gotta try out.
After that, I'd say (seriously) set the game up at someone elses place (if it's not at your place, you can convince them not to invite him over), or (non-seriously) start taking Martial Arts lessons. Or you could always set it up so that the gods take an active interest in what happens in the mortal realm. I imagine the first time this happens going something like this:
You: The gods smite you.
Bro: What?! Why?
You: Well, as the DM, I control, among other things, the way the gods react to what you're doing, correct?
Bro: Yes, but...
You: Also, by constantly complaining about how things are happening, you are angering me, correct?
Bro: I guess...
You: And, if you anger me, then there's a good chance that you're angering the gods as well, correct?
Bro: If you say so...
You: And, since the gods are now angry, and we've already established that they take a keen interest in what happens in the mortal realm (possibly show this by restoring the paladin's hand with a divine miracle early on, in exchange for a previously agreed upon quest), what other course of action would they take than to smite you?
Bro: Well, I don't think that the gods would care <b>that</b> much...
You: Would you rather the entire pantheon smite you? How about the Overgod?
Bro: ...
You: Thank you. Anyways, as I was saying...

:D You're actual experience, however, may be completely different.
Magius out.

Yeah, he did stab the Paladin. After they finish the trial they are in, i will have the Paladins god restore his hand. And do something bad to the Bard, for stabbing one of his Paladins. Seeing as how the Paladin is one of Obad-Hai(odd, i know). I am considering having him "sundered" from nature. Meaning that he will immediately be attacked by all animal, plant, and Fey creatures in the area. Who will ignore the other party members.
 

Galeros said:
Well, thats the way it is. Although, later this year, he is going to go to a community college. Which hopefully means, he will be too busy studying to play. Although that is far off, i can at least look forward to it..

*COUGH*
He is *how* old and he's beating you around?
God's sake I thought up till this post the older bro was 14, maybe 15. *18* is more than old enough to know not to hit someone, esp family members.

Alright, time to whip out some old fashioned sneaky tactics. There's a reason I read Machievelli before I left for college. This one might be a little long, but some of the principles will serve you well.

Analysis of the situation:
1) You have a brother, with violent and aggressive tendancies. He's in your face, in game and often out of game. Abusive to yourself, and probably not too nice to your friends either I'm willing to bet. I doubt they would miss him much from their games, yes?
2) Said brother will be leaving, eventually, but is likely to return during summer breaks etc. Aka, you will still have to deal with him eventually.
3) Your brother is also dependant on your parents, who - from how they split you up before when you were fighting, seem to at least care about your physical safety and getting along.
4) You can't really take him in a fight.

Here are some other 'givens' as well:
1) Your brother cannot kill you. The worst he can do is cause property damage or major bruising.
2) You will heal.
3) Your parents will notice anything big and painful.
4) Your friends are not required to play with him (as they have their own houses)

If you're willing to take the chance of a little bit of pain (for a better deal in the long run) and a small risk of property damage, here's one possible solution:

Given the above, the best solution is to stonewall him. Nothing kills a problem as quickly as a simple, calm, and emotionless response. Begin to 'handle' your brother instead of fighting with him. Move your game someplace else, if that is not possible, recruit your friends to back you in this. I don't think you'll have a problem convincing them to avoid him as well. Ask him to leave you alone (May need to explain to parents that you want time with your friends without him.) He can't run if they won't play. He can't play, if you don't run. And he can't *make* you run.
That's the critical part of it: He cannot *make* you run.
So what he'll probably do if this happens is throw a fit. (In younger people this would be called a temper tantrum. ;) ) This is where your self control will be tested. He will try to make you angry, possibly hit you. If you don't get angry, and don't hit him then you won't be at any fault if your parents get involved. Feel free to remind him of this. (I personally like ignoring until they get frustrated and leave, or frustrated and make a critical mistake.)
The worst he can do at this point is hit you, and hit you hard enough that you can then go to your parents with it (again, do this with a completely calm and straight face and you come off as *completely* the mature one). He won't willingly risk his college, or his parents affects, just because his brother won't jump when he yells. He may not like you, but to be honest if he's kicking you around like this - I don't think his affection will be much missed.

So, to summarize:
*Handle* him, don't fight him.
Remain very calm at all times to convey the right attitude to those in authority.
Be willing to take a little bit of hurt, for a greater gain.

Being extra nice to him won't work. People are like dogs sometime at least for training their habits. Have you ever seen a family the fed a dog to make the dog shut up? It doesn't tend to work too well, because the dog sees this as a reward for barking.
Oh, and ask for your key back. Inform your parents you don't feel like he should have a key to your room if you don't have one to his.
 

Clueless said:
*COUGH*
He is *how* old and he's beating you around?
God's sake I thought up till this post the older bro was 14, maybe 15. *18* is more than old enough to know not to hit someone, esp family members.

Alright, time to whip out some old fashioned sneaky tactics. There's a reason I read Machievelli before I left for college. This one might be a little long, but some of the principles will serve you well.

Analysis of the situation:
1) You have a brother, with violent and aggressive tendancies. He's in your face, in game and often out of game. Abusive to yourself, and probably not too nice to your friends either I'm willing to bet. I doubt they would miss him much from their games, yes?
2) Said brother will be leaving, eventually, but is likely to return during summer breaks etc. Aka, you will still have to deal with him eventually.
3) Your brother is also dependant on your parents, who - from how they split you up before when you were fighting, seem to at least care about your physical safety and getting along.
4) You can't really take him in a fight.

Here are some other 'givens' as well:
1) Your brother cannot kill you. The worst he can do is cause property damage or major bruising.
2) You will heal.
3) Your parents will notice anything big and painful.
4) Your friends are not required to play with him (as they have their own houses)

If you're willing to take the chance of a little bit of pain (for a better deal in the long run) and a small risk of property damage, here's one possible solution:

Given the above, the best solution is to stonewall him. Nothing kills a problem as quickly as a simple, calm, and emotionless response. Begin to 'handle' your brother instead of fighting with him. Move your game someplace else, if that is not possible, recruit your friends to back you in this. I don't think you'll have a problem convincing them to avoid him as well. Ask him to leave you alone (May need to explain to parents that you want time with your friends without him.) He can't run if they won't play. He can't play, if you don't run. And he can't *make* you run.
That's the critical part of it: He cannot *make* you run.
So what he'll probably do if this happens is throw a fit. (In younger people this would be called a temper tantrum. ;) ) This is where your self control will be tested. He will try to make you angry, possibly hit you. If you don't get angry, and don't hit him then you won't be at any fault if your parents get involved. Feel free to remind him of this. (I personally like ignoring until they get frustrated and leave, or frustrated and make a critical mistake.)
The worst he can do at this point is hit you, and hit you hard enough that you can then go to your parents with it (again, do this with a completely calm and straight face and you come off as *completely* the mature one). He won't willingly risk his college, or his parents affects, just because his brother won't jump when he yells. He may not like you, but to be honest if he's kicking you around like this - I don't think his affection will be much missed.

So, to summarize:
*Handle* him, don't fight him.
Remain very calm at all times to convey the right attitude to those in authority.
Be willing to take a little bit of hurt, for a greater gain.

Being extra nice to him won't work. People are like dogs sometime at least for training their habits. Have you ever seen a family the fed a dog to make the dog shut up? It doesn't tend to work too well, because the dog sees this as a reward for barking.
Oh, and ask for your key back. Inform your parents you don't feel like he should have a key to your room if you don't have one to his.

Well, the problem is, my friends do like him. I only have one player on my side right now. Oh, and the thing is, he wants me to beat him up. Which is why he bothers me in the first place. As for our ages, he is 17, but will be 18 in may, which is before he goes off to the community college. I am 15, and will be turning 16 in June. I told the player who was on my side, that i was probably going to start up a game, without my brother. In my own created world. One problem s, he says i should include "realistic" situations in my game. Like i said, he does not think you should be able to dodge out of the way of something much larger than you. The only real problem is, i cannot continue the game when he disagrees with me. He will just keep bothering me until i listen to him. And io do at first. Basically he tire sto be a backseat DM to me. Because he did run the game at first. Could someone tell me on what page it mentions rule zero in the DMG. That will be the only way to get him to shut up.

Oh, and while he is not DM, while he was DM. He once threatened to change my race because i was not Rping the race "right". When he meant change, he meant just erasing the old race, and putting in the one he wanted me to become on my character sheet.

Well, i am going to go to bed now. i wll see what responses i have when i wake up.
 
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Galeros said:
Could someone tell me on what page it mentions rule zero in the DMG. That will be the only way to get him to shut up.

Oh, and while he is not DM, while he was DM. He once threatened to change my race because i was not Rping the race "right". When he meant change, he meant just erasing the old race, and putting in the one he wanted me to become on my character sheet.

Just. Stop. Playing. With. Him.

My friend, I hate to break this to you, but your brother does not respect you. He doesn't respect your control of the game as a DM. He doesn't respect your ability to roleplay as a player. Trust and respect are NON-OPTIONAL REQUIREMENTS for any relationship to be fun and healthy and that between player and DM is no exception.

The good news is that this sort of juvenile crap will probably go away as you both grow older. I know that my sister and I butted heads constantly at around this age and we now have a very good relationship.

Until that day comes, you've GOT to stop playing with him. It doesn't sound like it is fun at all. He's constantly lurking, waiting for an opportunity to hassle you about a rules call or nail you on the way you play your character. You're living in fear waiting for it to happen. That doesn't even take into consideration the threat of nipple-twisting or whatever other silly, stupid physical violence he's threatening you with.

Take the friend who supports you and find another group to play with. Or just play with the two of you. I've had some fantastic fun playing solo games with my friends over the years. Or don't play at all until you can find another group. It isn't the end of the world and there is NO POINT WHATSOEVER to playing this game if it isn't fun. You're not getting paid for it.

Stop playing with him. Did I say that enough times?
 


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