D&D (2024) Playtest: Is the Human Terrible?

[Maxperson]

But the two versions where the human can pick either feat are identical.

I'm being told by people that we are supposed to mix and match freely between 2014 and the UA. If that's the case, I can pick the 2014 human and 2014 feat, and you can't with your UA human.

 

[Yaarel]

I'm being told by people that we are supposed to mix and match freely between 2014 and the UA. If that's the case, I can pick the 2014 human and 2014 feat, and you can't with your UA human.

The UA human can pick a 2014 feat.

 

[Parmandur]

I did not know that because I don't own Strixhaven, which should come as no surprise to anyone.

Fair: just an interesting point that assigning Level gating to Feats is already a published rule in 5E: Strixhaven has 1st and 4th Level Feats

 

[Parmandur]

The UA human can pick a 2014 feat.

No, they can't: it is worth remembering that Feats in the 2014 lies, including the Variant Human, are an optional rule entirely (hence "Variant Human"). New Feats for the optional system barely ever even reached publication: there was literally one single Feat, for Deep Gnomes in Sword Coast Adventurer'sGuide, between 2014 and the publication of Xanathar's, and Eberron was the only book between Xanatand Tasha's to include Feats (except for Theros, but not really strictly speaking).

This UA is not compatible with the 2014 Feats Variant, but...that's OK, and doesn't break "compatibility." The Variant Human doesn't quite work, but...it's a variant, not the standard rule. Someone alert the TVA.

 

[Yaarel]

No, they can't: it is worth remembering that Feats in the 2014 lies, including the Variant Human, are an optional rule entirely (hence "Variant Human"). New Feats for the optional system barely ever even reached publication: there was literally one single Feat, for Deep Gnomes in Sword Coast Adventurer'sGuide, between 2014 and the publication of Xanathar's, and Eberron was the only book between Xanatand Tasha's to include Feats (except for Theros, but not really strictly speaking).

This UA is not compatible with the 2014 Feats Variant, but...that's OK, and doesn't break "compatibility." The Variant Human doesn't quite work, but...it's a variant, not the standard rule. Someone alert the TVA.

Feats is an "optional" 2014 rule.

The UA makes use of this option.


The UA human can choose them.

UA: "Each feat has a level. To take a feat, your level must equal or exceed the feats level."

The 2014 Players Handbook feats are available at level 1. It "has a level". Its level is level 1.

The UA human equals or exceeds this level.

 

[Parmandur]

Feats is an "optional" 2014 rule.

The UA makes use of this option.


The UA human can choose them.

UA: "Each feat has a level. To take a feat, your level must equal or exceed the feats level."

The 2014 Players Handbook feats are available at level 1.

The UA human does equal or exceed this level.

Fundamentally, the UA version is a new system that replaces the option presented in 2024 in toto. 2014 Feats don't have a stated Level, and don't function for the ouman or new Backgrounds.

 

[Maxperson]

The UA human can pick a 2014 feat.

No it can't. It can only get Skilled or a 1st level feat, and none of the 2014 feats have levels. None of the 2014 feats are open to UA humans.

 

[Maxperson]

Feats is an "optional" 2014 rule.

The UA makes use of this option.


The UA human can choose them.

UA: "Each feat has a level. To take a feat, your level must equal or exceed the feats level."

The 2014 Players Handbook feats are available at level 1. It "has a level". Its level is level 1.

The UA human equals or exceeds this level.

No. The 2014 feats are available AT level 1. They are NOT level 1. No level has been assigned to them, so the UA human cannot get them. Further, specific beats general, which means the UA limitations override the general feat option in the 2014 PHB.

 

[Yaarel]

Fundamentally, the UA version is a new system that replaces the option presented in 2024 in toto.

I disagree.

Especially, when "backwards compatible" means using the 2014 Players Handbook.

2014 Feats don't have a stated Level, and don't function for the ouman or new Backgrounds.

2014 rules state the feats are available at level 1.

They are available to the UA ouman.

 

[Yaarel]

No. The 2014 feats are available AT level 1. They are NOT level 1.

No level has been assigned to them, so the UA human cannot get them. Further, specific beats general, which means the UA limitations override the general feat option in the 2014 PHB.

The specific is: "Each feat has a level."

Including the feats in the 2014 Players Handbook.