Parmandur
Book-Friend, he/him
Yup, this new proposed core system entirely ignores the old optional system.
D&D (2024) Playtest: Is the Human Terrible?
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Yaarel
🇮🇱 🇺🇦 He-Mage
The common sense interpretation in context is: 2014 made "feats" available at level 1. These are "level 1 feats".
ODD introduces feats for other levels, and is distinguishing between the earlier feats that are level 1 and the new feats that are at higher levels.
In any case, the technical reading is, the use of UA treats any feat as having a level.
ODD introduces feats for other levels, and is distinguishing between the earlier feats that are level 1 and the new feats that are at higher levels.
In any case, the technical reading is, the use of UA treats any feat as having a level.
Parmandur
Book-Friend, he/him
No, that's not how reading D&D rules works. You cannot generalize unstated interpretations based on silence. These are seperate rule modules entirely..
Yaarel
🇮🇱 🇺🇦 He-Mage
"Each feat has a level."
There is voice. There is no silence. There is an explicit clarification.
Parmandur
Book-Friend, he/him
But specifically, none of the Feats in the 2014 PHB have a Level. Specific (not leveled) trumps general ("Each Feat has a Level"). They don't qualify for osman or Background generation.
Sorcerers Apprentice
Hero
No, that's the rules lawyer interpretation. The common sense interpretation is that we'll learn more about how the 2014 rules and the 2024 rules interact in the future.
Parmandur
Book-Friend, he/him
But it falls apart on rules lawyer grounds, too, which is what is bonkers.
Yaarel
🇮🇱 🇺🇦 He-Mage
@Sorcerers Apprentice, @Maxperson, @Parmandur
LOL! I think you guys are being rules lawyers!
To insist that a level 1 feat isnt a "level 1 feat", requires a rules lawyer in order to keep a straight face.
LOL! I think you guys are being rules lawyers!
To insist that a level 1 feat isnt a "level 1 feat", requires a rules lawyer in order to keep a straight face.
Parmandur
Book-Friend, he/him
Where do any of the 2014 Feats have a delineated Level...? Since they not, they do not fall under the rubric.
the 2014 phb feats are null level feats that were available at level 1 not "Level 1 feats" not "First level feats". We can say that with confidence because:
"Your not only getting a benefit, it's a benefit your character didn't have before. This is a pure addition that we're providing now for everybody. and we have that in mind as we decide what qualifies as a first level feat & what doesn't. Basically anything that's going to dramatically increase character power in some way, people are not going to see as a first level feat. That is the domain of higher level feats where the game's math can handle adjustments to raw power. Most first level feats are about increasing a character's versatility & speaking to different key backstories. You'll see that these feats .. are all featured in at least one of the sample backgrounds in this document. You can also see looking at the sample backgrounds how to match first level feats with a background if you decide to build your own background"
With any luck this entire tangent has nicely proven to wotc why OneD&D needs to put more effort into imparting RaI alongside more careful wording for RaW like some of the changes already present in the playtest
