D&D (2024) Playtest: Is the Human Terrible?

[Reynard]

It also hurts weapon and armor proficiency aren't an option. That is kind of the most basic customization.

They aren't really worth a feat though. I assume they will be part of backgrounds?

 

[Horwath]

It also hurts weapon and armor proficiency aren't an option. That is kind of the most basic customization.

it should be;

tool=language=1 weapon proficiency,

then interchange is as you will.

 

[Tales and Chronicles]

It also hurts weapon and armor proficiency aren't an option. That is kind of the most basic customization.

Agree. IIRC some dragonlance background feats gave armor proficiency and such. So I expect to see the X armor feats in the list of 1st level feats also and let the X armor master feats be at higher level.

I also hope some of the racial feats are left at 1st level.

 

[Charlaquin]

The 1D&D Human itself is actually better than the 2014 V-Human. Both get a bonus skill and a Feat at 1st level. In addition to that, 2014 V-Human gets a bonus language and 1D&D human gets Inspiration whenever they finish a long rest (and can give it to someone else if they already have it). That’s a much more significant benefit.

The reason the 1D&D human might feel weaker is that 1D&D Feats are restricted by level. So, it’s not the human that was nerfed, it’s the Feat selection. And, that was probably a needed change, since some Feats were so much more powerful than others you’d be a fool not to take them at 1st level if you could.

 

[Vael]

Agreed, it's less that the human has been nerfed, it's that feats have been restructured. Also, now that everyone gets a first level feat, it's a little less special to be a human with 2 starting feats.

 

[Stalker0]

Sounds like you all should give that feedback in the survey and let the player just try out one of the other races then, see what they think. And if they are going to be like "no my guy is a human and I'm going to keep playing a vhuman"....well apparantely they all agreed to try the playtest, so he's either playtesting or he's not.

 

[Parmandur]

I would rather have my choice of a feat.

you can keep your inspiration.

Still gets an extra Feat.

 

[Maxperson]

It's not terrible, but it's certainly nerfed compared to 2014 VHuman. Only having access to a small subset of starting feats moves Human from "absolute top tier" to "above average", I'd say. It's still really good for a few concepts that rely on Magic Initiate. And Lucky is always a great feat, but it's not something you really build a whole character around.

First, I agree with your assessment of the 2014 Vhuman. I think it's fantastic. What I wonder at, though, is why D&D Beyond's pie chart shows humans at 11.8% and Vhuman at 11%. You'd think that people would select the top tier version more often than the normal one.

 

[Parmandur]

First, I agree with your assessment of the 2014 Vhuman. I think it's fantastic. What I wonder at, though, is why D&D Beyond's pie chart shows humans at 11.8% and Vhuman at 11%. You'd think that people would select the top tier version more often than the normal one.

20% and 4%, IIRC. The reason is that in 5E most tables don't use Feats, per WotC and Beyond's interprof their data. The big change here is making the variant rule the rule.

 

[Charlaquin]

First, I agree with your assessment of the 2014 Vhuman. I think it's fantastic. What I wonder at, though, is why D&D Beyond's pie chart shows humans at 11.8% and Vhuman at 11%. You'd think that people would select the top tier version more often than the normal one.

2014 non-variant human is the only race you can take that doesn’t require you to make a single decision (other than to play the race). Never underestimate casual players’ aversion to making build decisions.