PotC: Dead Man's Chest spoiler thread

[Firebeetle]

Just saw this one late last night.

It's all there baby, in spades it's there. The movie makers were very aware of everything that made the first movie fun and cool and used that same attitude in the second one.

It has:
1.) Plenty of scary and/or gross moments between big sea monsters, monstrous pirates, highly piereced cannibals, and a still beating heart.
2.) EVERYBODY is back, including characters (plural) you wrote off a long time ago. Even the monkey is back. I do mean everyone folks.
3.) EVERYBODY has an agenda, which leads to some interesting fights. Not even Will and Elizabeth are on the same page about things.
4.) Lots of interesting action scenes with rolling, spherical bone cages, swordfights on rolling mill wheels (lots of rolling), taking on a giant sea beast without stabbing it in it's eye/mouth/nostril/ear canal and lots more. Fun, fun, fun.
5.) Davy Jones, his crew and ship are worth price of admission alone. It's terrific to watch.
6.) Gaming moment: Liar's Dice plays a key role in the story.
7.) Two words: Love triangle

My big complaints would be:
1.) Like Jones' tentacles, the plot is all over the place, wiggling and grasping often pointlessly. This first movie was much, much tighter in this regard.
2.) There is not full closure at the end, too many plot threads left dangling. It does NOT negate the first movie, as a second installment often does (a la Matrix). However, this movie lays lots of groundwork for the third movie which is annoying. Luckily, there is no 10 minute preview like at the end of Back to the Future 2.

I would recommend going. It's too much fun to miss.

Now, once again, it is time for the ritual "I don't have a life other than kvetching about movies" negative posts. Commence, people, commence.

 

[frankthedm]

Not much spoiler-age in that post really.

Movie sounds good. And here i was worried I'd need to be half drunk to enjoy the flick.

 

[Hypersmurf]

The lack of closure doesn't bother me. I don't mind the setup for the third movie

The plot being all over the place was an issue, but I didn't find it too vexing.

My only real complaint was that there were several places where fights seen in the background were being phoned in. The Sparrow/Will/Norrington fight on the beach, or Sparrow swinging an oar at a fish-pirate by the longboat, turned very 'rehearsal-mode' when they weren't in foreground.

But on the whole, I laughed, I clapped, and I had a great time. I'll be going back to see it again

(The boots in the back room of Tia Dalma's hut bothered me through the rest of the film - who's back there, who's back there? The reveal was worth it )

One of my favourite moments? "Look!" KABLAM! "An undead monkey!"

Another - Jack's pole vault / canyon sequence. Beautiful

And I loved the wheel fight.

-Hyp.

 

[RangerWickett]

Amazing. This is the first movie in years I've wanted to see in theaters multiple times.

I wish there'd be some more resolution. If I compare it to The Empire Strikes Back, at least Empire had a big reveal, and the bad guys won (which is a resolution, albeit a tragic one). In Pirates 2, . . .

I'm a writer, I'll see if I can think of a better way to end the flick, then send it back in time to Jerry Bruckheimer.

 

[DonTadow]

Loved it too. The plot was complex, which was a relief from other movies. I loved the multiple threads. This was an obvious second of a triloigory movie much in the same league with Empire Strikes Back. There are suppose to be dangling plot points to lead and be wrapped up in the first. I'd say the return of two villians from the previous movie, the revelation that sparrow was suppose to be dead, that wills father is surviving on davey jones locker and that the tea company has a kraken were pretty big plot movements for me. Not quite "i'm your father seperately" but alone they made it enough.



The plot felt real, not like a string. Felt like a good role playing game as opposed to one where the DM strings you from encounter to encounter. I especially liked how Sparrow changes his objective at the pirates island after encountering Elizabeth . He went from collecting the 100 to realizing he might have a legit shot at finding the treasure chest and having a "better" bargaining chip.

I thought the movie did a good job with the multiple fight scenes. Again, just felt like a lot was going on and it was fun to watch. Once again it reminded me of my favorite d and d movmeents when the party splits but there's action on two fronts.

My biggest critique is Sparrow accepting the old guy on his ship after he tried to kill him. Outside of being looney Sparrow has no real reason to allow someone whom does not like him on his ship. It's like allowing the annoying guy into your game. The rest of the movie allowed me to suspend my belief enough for that part to ride it through. After the disappointing xmen, superman, mii3 i believe the summer finally has its first real big hit.

Believe it or not, I ran a similiar encounter with a Kraken and mermen pirates in december of this year with no knowledge of the movie's plot. As I watched the movie, one of my players noted how similiar the encounter was right from the tentacles attacking turns 1 through 4 before the Kraken fully appears and takes the boat by turn 6. then the mermen come and scoop up the survivors.

 

[Tinker Gnome]

I thought it was awesome!!!

 

[frankthedm]

Davey Jones had a SoulBlade/Caliber Cevantes De Leone vibe going for him, if slightly less evil.

So is it me or is Tia Dalma the real heart of the problem? Those trinket's jack palms in her place look a bit like some stuff

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Davey

had IIRC. Also

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Davey

seemed unamused when he was likened to

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the devil by a crewmember.

To me that hints of

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Davey

recognizing a greater evil than himself.

And I loved the wheel fight.-Hyp.

Someone should take clips from that and the rolling cage scene and make a Hamsterdance video.

The bit with the catholic pirate, rosary in hand, was very good. Daring for disney really.

Anyone else forsee Jack heading for bad times when he was acting a bit more evil in this movie than in the first?

On that subject, any one else suspecting a

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Jonah

senario? After all he was deep in the

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mouth

and he is nuts enough to leap past the

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teeth

hoping the thing

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digests slowly

enough to escape later. Captain Jack is a cool character, but he deserves

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an ordeal

more than a

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Resurrection

.

 

[Hypersmurf]

I was almost expecting him to show up at the end, just so someone could ask "But no-one could possibly survive!", and he could answer "You're forgetting one thing, mate..."

-Hyp.

 

[Kid Charlemagne]

The reveal at the end was great, the plot was an utter mess, the fights were good, the effects were great - at times spectacular, like Jack's last shot with the Kraken. I also loved the "an undead monkey!" gag. I liked Norrington. I didn't like Elizabeth much in this film; I thought Keira was mugging an awful lot. I liked Will more in this film - he really seemed to be in charge, and knew what to do. I didn't think Jack was nearly as much fun as in the first film. I'm not sure why, maybe his lines just weren't as good.

 

[Mean Eyed Cat]

Just got back and I thought it was a great film. I'm not sure I like it as much as the first one, but a great flick nonetheless [I'll echo previous posts about the plot being all over the place].

And I'm glad they showed more of my favorite character(s)... Cotton! And his parrot!!!