PotC: Dead Man's Chest spoiler thread

[Dingleberry]

[blink] It never occurred to me that it might mean anything else.

Her 'heart's desire' was wavering between Will and Jack through the course of the movie.

-Hyp.

My take: Elizabeth was worried that her heart was wavering, but it wasn't; the misdirection was that the compass *was* still pointing at the chest - which was buried in the sand between her and Jack.

 

[satori01]

I liked the movie quite a bit. I do not think it quite gives the same viceral satisfaction the first film does, but it is close.
I like the darker tone, I like that Elizabeth and Will grow up in the film.
I like that so much mystery is left in the film. We never receive confirmation on how Barbosa is back. We also never know what it is that has Jack conflicted, or the whole story of Davie Jones. Jack is decidely not intrested in killing Davie Jones. Jack generally sticks to the same story the Vodoo Woman says, only after asking what little people know. It struck me, if people knew something different, Jack would have told more.

Given what the nearly calcified Flying Dutchman Sailor said, it sounds like an uncontrolled Flying Dutchman is a bad thing. I suspect that killing Davie Jones, might make you the next captain of the Flying Dutchman. I would not be surprised if in the the Third Movie either Barbossa or Jack become the next Davie Jones.

I like the evil East India Trading company villain, a perfect behind the scenes, manipulator. I love the fact that the Pirates were Pirates in this movie. Cotton, who always seemed to be a very honorable guy, did not blanche one bit when Jack sent Will over to
"pay his debt" or the fact that Jack was willing to trade innocent souls to Davie Jones.

The casting was great, I love Skaarsgard and Nighy, thought they were well cast. Nighy has such distinctive blue eyes, I recgonized him right away as Davie Jones from his eyes.

Overall a great second movie. A compelling, exciting, and most importantly Fun film, that really sets the stage well for the third movie.

 

[sniffles]

I'd read a number of uncomplimentary reviews before seeing the movie, and came away from the film wondering what movie the reviewers had seen. I really didn't find any of the flaws they complained of. It did suffer slightly from 'middle movie syndrome', but I still hugely enjoyed myself.

Bill Nighy was simply awesome as Davey Jones. I can't wait to see him face-to-face with Geoffrey Rush in the next film.

 

[frankthedm]

Blech. The best way for the third movie to absolutely ruin the trilogy would be to have Elizabeth wind up with Jack.

Like Jack's chaotic alignment will let him be tied down. He's steal a ship and flee at the first martial spat.

 

[IcyCool]

Blech. The best way for the third movie to absolutely ruin the trilogy would be to have Elizabeth wind up with Jack.

Kiera Knightly wanted to kiss Johnny Depp. So much so, in fact, that it was in her contract. I suspect that is the real reason that Elizabeth kissed Jack. Hopefully, that's as far as she and Jack go. She doesn't have to wind up with Will, but please don't let her wind up with Jack.

 

[KenM]

Blech. The best way for the third movie to absolutely ruin the trilogy would be to have Elizabeth wind up with Jack.

I think that in the next one:

Spoiler

capt. Jack will marry Elizibeth and Will on the Black Pearl 2

 

[shilsen]

Like Jack's chaotic alignment will let him be tied down. He's steal a ship and flee at the first martial spat.

Pun unintended, Frank?

 

[Banshee16]

I suspect it had a little to do with the fact that, when they first showed up, they needed them to help pilot the ship- I don't recall whether or not they had the requisite 6 men the potentially mutinous crewman mentioned during the escape from the cannibals.

After that- why not? It's not as if Jack seemed particularly concerned about the makeup of his crew during the movie. As long as their interests seemed in line with everyone else's, they weren't really a problem.

I suppose that's possible...

As coyote6 points out, I suspect it was guilt over what she did to him on the Black Pearl. Similarly, I suspect Will's willingness to go along had more to do with him feeling as if he were doing it for Elizabeth rather than for Jack (who he, I think, finally realizes is really a scumbag. Honestly, I still can't quite figure out why they stuck up for him in the end of the first film. I've just never found Jack Sparrow all that charming- and he was even less charming in this movie, where he was way too campy.)

This is something I was really confused by. I actually liked Jack in the first movie, in that beloved rascal kind of way. He was a sympathetic villain at the very least. In this movie he truly *did* sell out Will....and Elizabeth....to a truly horrible fate. It's really hard to correlate that with him being a "good guy". I don't think I'd be able to trust someone like that myself. Maybe Elizabeth did realize she likes him better than she thought....or it was just an inconsistency.

Will....hopefully he realizes that Jack really isn't a good guy. Unfortunately, it felt like there was tension between him and Elizabeth at the end, based on the kiss. During the film my girlfriend was crying out "what are you doing?!!" at that moment.

He didn't lose to Davy Jones- his father did, when he upped the ante at the end and tried to bluff Davy Jones. Davy himself tells Will that he's free to go- the next time they hit land.

(Also, I'm not quite sure if I caught it or not, but if Bootstrap hadn't raised the ante- there were 8 5's there, right? So Will would have won?)

Ok, thanks for clearing it up. I misunderstood that part. I thought both father and son lost. I've never heard of this Liar's Dice game before, so I didn't understand the significance of Will's father getting involved.

He could have gone back to the island and found Norrington (if he had surmised that Norrington was the one who had stolen the heart) and then been able to bargain his way out of the deal with Jones, possibly. Although I have to agree, it didn't really seem all that heroic, frankly.

I am just wondering how Norrington thought he could possibly get away when he ran off with the heart. I mean, obviously, somehow a passing EIC ship found him, but it seems like quite a chance to take- that island seemed awful remote.

That's something I'm not sure of. I mean....he was trapped on the boat by the manacles, the kraken arrives, the boat is in it's clutches. He's the only target it has to catch, so there are no redshirts around to divert its attention. I'm not sure he really had a choice. I'm not sure if the final moment was heroism, since I still don't think there were any alternatives, except lie down and die. He seems to have chosen to laugh at death, and go down fighting....but I'm not sure it had anything to do with saving the others.

Banshee

 

[Banshee16]

When they are on the island, looking for the treasure chest, there is a moment where it seems as if Elizabeth is looking at the 'hearts desire' compass, and finds that it is pointing at Jack... just before she slumps down and says "it isn't working!"

I wondered whether that meant that she was actually developing an attraction for the bad boy of the seven seas.

It's possible...I wondered that as well. But then Jack looked at the compass and it was pointing at her. And she moved, and it turns out that the chest was right under her butt. So was it pointing at each other because of attraction, or because she was sitting on the chest?

Due to his popularity, I guess Jack is supposed to be the hero, though Will seems the traditional hero. At least he has honour, integrity, etc.

Banshee

 

[Hand of Evil]

It's possible...I wondered that as well. But then Jack looked at the compass and it was pointing at her. And she moved, and it turns out that the chest was right under her butt. So was it pointing at each other because of attraction, or because she was sitting on the chest?

Due to his popularity, I guess Jack is supposed to be the hero, though Will seems the traditional hero. At least he has honour, integrity, etc.

Banshee

With the compass, it really comes down to the 'the question/want' and the way it is answered - like a wish, it is all in the phasing.