Preferred d20 Superhero system?

[Scott Lynch]

RangerWickett wrote:

DNW isn't on the same level/power ratio as the core rules, so it's a little harder to just grab other d20 supplements and add them to DNW, since a 5th level champion (DNW) is stronger than a 5th level fighter (D&D).

Only partially true. Naked, the DNW character is almost certain to be better than the D&D character. However, the D&D character at that point is also supposed to have about 9,000 GP invested in magic gear. Outfitted according to the DMG, he might be a shade less powerful than a human DNW character, but only a shade. Of course, if the DNW character has super-powers, in most cases the D&D fighter should just pack it in and run for his life.

DNW has a lot more supplements for it than FCTF.

True, but Natural 20 Press has other books besides FCTF, so it's not like they're lazy or anything. Quite the opposite, it seems.

FCTF has a little more art, and (in my opinion) a prettier cover.

Also true. Part of the learning curve... I designed DNW before I ever laid eyes on RPGnow .com. My exact thought: "Who on earth would ever look twice at the cover of a PDF?" Now I am older and wiser.

Cheers and best--

(And if you're looking for *Deeds Not Words,* look no further than the link below:

SL

 

[enrious]

Let me add to the Vigilance list.

It keeps true to the d20 sprit (IMO) while allowing you to run you favorite Supers concept.

Easy to learn and customize, This game would be a snap to learn if you've played any other mainline d20 game.

I would say that there seems to be a strong Marvel SHRPG influence as well, which makes some of the concepts even more familiar to fans of that system.

 

[johnnype]

I'd also like to recommend Deeds Not Words.

As I stated elsewhere. It's by far the best $10 I've spent since 3rd edition came out.

The game is solid and a blast to play. Scott is also one of the nicest guys around and is always around on the mailing list to answer questions.

FCTF might have a nicer cover but it also has the worst product name in all of gaming. Just my opinion of course.

 

[RangerWickett]

I'd also like to recommend Deeds Not Words.

As I stated elsewhere. It's by far the best $10 I've spent since 3rd edition came out.

The game is solid and a blast to play. Scott is also one of the nicest guys around and is always around on the mailing list to answer questions.

FCTF might have a nicer cover but it also has the worst product name in all of gaming. Just my opinion of course.

Well, why do you say that? "Four-color" refers to standard pulpy comics. "Fantasy" refers to a genre that gamers might normally not think of adding super powers to. "To" implies that the rules let you use super powers in both types of games, and probably many more. "Four-color to Fantasy" lets you know that you can use these superpower rules in any D20 game.

Why do you think that's a bad name?

 

[baseballfury]

I'm ALL about Mutants & Masterminds. Thank god it's at the printer at last!

 

[Moe Ronalds]

I'd also like to recommend Deeds Not Words.

As I stated elsewhere. It's by far the best $10 I've spent since 3rd edition came out.

The game is solid and a blast to play. Scott is also one of the nicest guys around and is always around on the mailing list to answer questions.

FCTF might have a nicer cover but it also has the worst product name in all of gaming. Just my opinion of course.

I'd like to second the "Scott=cool guy" thing. He was slightly late e-mailing me my copy of DNW so to compensate he gave me a free copy of Laying the Smack Down.

Maybe we should start a Scott Fanclub?

 

[bolen]

are there plans to release a print version of 4CTS or DNW?

 

[Alzrius]

Why do you think that's a bad name?

It isn't so much that "Four-Color To Fantasy" is really that bad of a name, imho, it's just that it's rather...odd. For one thing, I read a lot of comic books, and I didn't really understand that whole "four-color" bit until you explained it just now. Not pluralizing the word "color" makes it sound strange too.

To people who know that it suggests comic books, it might seem slightly exclusionary to other forms of super-heroism that it otherwise supports perfectly well, such as wuxia, mecha, magical girls, etc.

The biggest problem with the name, and this is an opinion several of my friends share with me, is the name is replaced. Calling the product "d20 Supers" would have been a much better move in my opinion. For one thing, the style of that title would make people associate it with d20 Modern, and that would be a good thing, since it could be laid down on that easily to enhance a game. It also just sounds cooler that way. Replacing that title with "Four-Color To Fantasy" was something of a let down. It would have made a good subtitle, but not a very good product title.

Just my two cents.

 

[tsadkiel]

I plan to wait a while and look at Atomic City Supers before selecting my system of choice.

 

[RangerWickett]

The biggest problem with the name, and this is an opinion several of my friends share with me, is the name is replaced. Calling the product "d20 Supers" would have been a much better move in my opinion.

Good points. But you can't use the term D20 in the title of a book without risking a lawsuit from WotC.

I'll see if WotC will give us permission to become the official D20-modern compatible superhero supplement. If we can, I'm pretty sure we'd be willing to change it back.