Prestige Class Format: Complete Warrior or Champions of Valor?

[JoeGKushner]

Given that people hated the sheer amount of crunch in the Complete Warrior, does anyone think that WoTC has overcompensated with too much fluff that basically is repeated over and over, or are the newer books just right in their terms of fluff/crunch ratio?

 

[Crothian]

I found complete Warrior to be a very good book. I do think that in the later books Wizards goes overboard informaiton much of it I don't find useful.

 

[Asmo]

I just bought Complete Warrior and I love it!

Asmo

 

[BobROE]

I prefer the CoV approach (except that I often have trouble finding the hit die), but I run an FR game and alot of the information is FR specific. So for non FR books I'd probably prefer the CW approach since I may have to modify the PrC's flavour to fit my game and it's easier to do if there's less fluff attached.

 

[PieAndDragon]

I just want the crunchy rules bits. The fluff I can provide myself

 

[Masquerade]

I agree almost entirely with detomo.

I don't mind a bit of fluff for inspiration, but the new format has too much. And cut out sample NPCs, already!

 

[humble minion]

Generally I'd prefer the more detailed version. I might not use it all, but there's usually something you can mine for ideas in there. But the sample NPCs are a supreme exercise in utter uselessness, and really need to go. Or at the very least be summarised a bit more - how about referring back to the PHB rather than retyping the damn Sneak Attack rules a dozen times a book? That's the sheerest cynical page-stuffing, and makes me grumpy.

 

[Xereq]

i dislike the fluff like "[this class] in the campeign" but i at least want a justification for flavor abilities and perhaps metacrunch fluff. like design notes and crunch justification of abilities...i liked complete warrior but again, any creative person can find a niche for thier PrC in the campeign

 

[Seeker95]

I voted something else.

Enough with the PrCs. We don't need 'em.

 

[demiurge1138]

Complete Warrior is closer to it, in my book. I'd like some flavor, but not a whole page devoted to how the PrC works in the campaign, details that are immensely obvious, like "this class has the prerequisite of a BAB +5, so a fighter can qualify for it by 5th level" and other such nonsense. The sample NPCs are nice though, especially now that they don't duplicate the text on abilities only one page over.

Demiurge out.