victorysaber said:
1)MOST POWERFUL OF THE OUTSIDERS
Hey, just to inquire about the "rulers" of the alignments, or rather the most powerful beings of the alignments. I'm clear on most of them except for neutrals and chaotic neutrals. But just to double check:
Asmodeus of the Baatezu (lawful evil)
No debate on this one
Zaphkiel of the Archons (lawful good)
Technically, Zaphkiel is less a ruler of Celestia than he is a herald and servant to its highest layer, Chronias, and whatever is there. But among distinct archons, yes he's the most powerful.
Demogorgon of the Tanar'ri (chaotic evil)
That's up for debate. There's no one most powerful Abyssal Lord, but the top tier (only going with Tanar'ri here) would have to include Demogorgon, Orcus, and Grazz't. Each would claim to be the most powerful, and it's always in flux as befits beings of chaos.
Morwel of the Eladrin (chaotic good)
Yep.
Talisid of the Guardinals (neutral good)
More or less, unless he serves something greater. But there's little concrete evidence to suggest this.
Primus of the Modrons (lawful neutral)
Yep.
Anthraxus of the Yugoloths (neutral evil)
Not since he was deposed as Oinoloth.
The General of Gehenna is probably the most powerful member of his race, and one of the oldest beings on the lower planes. His influence tends not to be overtly political however, and while his hand ultimately guides the 'loths in the Blood War, and the overall schemes of their race, he doesn't rule any particular plane's political heirarchy (despite the title).
Just below him, depending on how we're judging power and influence, and having arguably more pull in their particular planes would be Mydianchlarus the Oinoloth, and Bubonix the 'Overlord of Carceri'.
How about the slaadi? Who is the most powerful of their race, Ssendam or Ygorl?
Ssendam is possibly the oldest of that pair, but she and Ygorl more or less don't bother one another. Ygorl is certainly more lucid, and probably more active in meddling with the lesser slaadi, but they're probably equal in power. Below them would be Chourst, Rennbuu, and probably a tie between Sorel (the not-quite-yet Lord of Anarchy) and Bazim-Gorag (lesser Slaad Lord of Flame, who is both bound to the prime, and in exile since he slipped to CE).
There's rumored to be an aurumach rilmani named Center-of-All who lives near the base of the Infinite Spire. The same rumors claim that they're one of the most powerful beings on the planes, except there's no solid evidence that he/she actually exists.
2)PROGENITOR RACES
Er well yes I'm not too sure who are the progenitors/ancestors of the current alignment outsiders?
Obyriths - progenitors of the chaotic evil tanar'ri
Baernaloths - progenitors of the neutral evil yugoloths
Yes on those two certainly.
Ancient Baatorians - progenitors of the lawful evil baatezu, but do they have an actual designated name instead of "ancient Baatorians"?
It seems likely that the Ancient Baatorians didn't create anything, but were displaced almost entirely by the Baatezu who came from LN beings corrupted to LE, where the Baatorians were LE beings from an NE source.
How about the other alignments? Has it even been stated what are their progenitors?
N - A race known as the Kamarel existed upon the Outlands prior to the Rilmani. The Rilmani displaced them, and the Kamarel went into xenophobic self-exile in a created pocket reality of mirrors and reflections. They're still around, and in the event the Rilmani ever weakened, they're poised to return.
CN - it's plausible that the true Slaadi (of who Ygorl and Ssendam might be the best surviving examples of) are the original race of Limbo. With slim exception to some imprisoned examples locked away in pocket realms within Limbo, the remainder of normal Slaadi are restricted in form and power by the Spawning Stone (created by Ygorl and Ssendam).
NG - utterly unknown
LG - unknown, but it's possible they still exist within the highest layer of Chronias. It's also possible that the Maeldur et Kavurik might have been one of this race (unless he was just a first generation Archon).
CG - the $10k question, considering the titanic, utterly ancient ruins that dot the ravaged layer of Pelion/Mithardir in Arborea. It's possible that they were destroyed by the power of the Last Word, or similar magics, or they might have been killed off by another one of the early races of Law or Evil. I've been partial to the idea that they fled the outer planes and formed the Infinite Staircase as a side effect of their exile (taking the Baernaloth that appears on the Infinite Staircase in 'Tales of the Infinite Staircase' and weaving a story of a Baernaloth obsessed with following them, and obliterating any prime material worlds that they have touched via the Stair because of some unknown event or events that led to the devestation of Pelion in the first place). It's possible that the hanging, eternally rotting titans that hang in one of the layers of Carceri with their throats slashed, might have been examples of this first CG race. But again, it's really all speculation beyond those ruins.
