Rap and Hip-Hop at the game table?

[Mirth]

While I think of it, could you tell me where the sample at the end of track 8 (I never know songs' names since the CDs live in my car while the covers go straight in my wardrobe) comes from?

That's the thing about Shadow, he doesn't disclose where most of his samples come from. In the Scratch documentary I mentioned earlier (which I recommend everyone watch before they diss hip-hop altogether (rap is a subgenre of hip-hop btw, just to be clear)), Shadow does most of his interview from the basement of a record store where he finds all of his obscure samples. It is literally a maze of vinyl stacks and Shadow won't reveal where the store is or what it's name is, because it took him 5 years of cajoling the owner before he was even allowed down into the basement.

What frickin movie are you guys on about? Judging by that screen capture, it seems hilarious.

Office Space by Mike Judge of Beavis & Butthead fame. Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant comedy, of which the screen capture is the best scene.

Speaking of which, if anybody has the Psyence Fiction limited edition (containing 'Be There' with Ian Brown)...

I might have that, but I have to check. Feel free to email me, or PM me on NKL if you want.

Also, for the person who recommended Dr. Octagon, I would go a step further and pick up The Instrumentalyst: Octagon Beats instead, which is all of The Octagonecologyst minus Kool Keith's vocals. Very cool background music from Dan the Automator & DJ QBert. Also Dan & DJ Shadow did a project together called Bombay the Hard Way: Guns, Cars & Sitars a simply amazing remix album of a bunch of crazy Bollywood films from India.

I could go on and on about turntablist music and old school hip-hop, as well as any number of other musical genres, but I'll leave it at that right now. Having worked in book & music retail for over 20 years and owned my own store, it is a passion of mine, so I need to know when to stop

I love metal & country too, btw... just not the mainstream stuff, which is exactly like my tastes in hip-hop. There's plenty of good stuff out there that Mtv and radio don't play, you just have to work to find it.

Feel free to ask questions,

Jay

mirthcard [at] yahoo [dot] com

 

[JPL]

Never tried rap at the game table.

When I saw the first TV ad for the video game "Def Jam Vendetta", with "X Gonna Give it to Ya", I thought, that's what I oughta run, using d20 Modern / Blood and Fists. And someday I might.

In a couple of weeks, I'm running a one-shot Jonny Quest-meets-Stargate kinda thing for d20 Modern. I plan on recording a soundtrack and giving copies to the players as keepsakes. No rap, though. Mostly B3 stuff -- Charlie Hunter, Medeski Martin and Wood, Niacin, maybe even some Booker T and the MGs. I'll try to stick to the more atmospheric material rather than the dancable stuff.

 

[Numion]

It's the support of radio and MTV (along with word of mouth and such) that sells. Or are you saying that there are no bands with ability out there that aren't selling albums?

That's ludicrious. If you aren't known, you can't sell.

I call BS on this one. If MTV suddenly started only to play stuff like Slayer, the result wouldn't be platinum sales for Slayer but about zero viewers of MTV.

The idea that MTV somehow forces people to listen and dig a certain band is another conspiracy theory .. wanna buy a tinfoil hat? Surely the right publicity can make or break a certain band, but it couldn't change the whole youth culture from hiphop and pop to Slayer. (Just naming that band because I have one of their albums .. and it's no wonder they didn't sell millions).

 

[jessemock]

I've always wondered why metalheads are the most intolerant people when it comes to music.

You try being macho with all that girly long hair.

I call BS on this one. If MTV suddenly started only to play stuff like Slayer, the result wouldn't be platinum sales for Slayer but about zero viewers of MTV.

The idea that MTV somehow forces people to listen and dig a certain band is another conspiracy theory .. wanna buy a tinfoil hat? Surely the right publicity can make or break a certain band, but it couldn't change the whole youth culture from hiphop and pop to Slayer. (Just naming that band because I have one of their albums .. and it's no wonder they didn't sell millions).

Aw. I totally wanted to agree with you--but then you had to go and use Slayer for your example. Slayer is secretly the most beloved band on earth. You'll never find a more diverse audience than at a Slayer show.

And, let's face it, what would Channel Zero have been without Angel of Death?

Anyway, back to the topic--yeah right!

 

[Kemrain]

I think someone'd need hospitalization if anyone brought rap to my table, but that's me. I end up playing the seemingly traditional movie soundtracks (LoTR), though I throw in some Star Wars music, too. Also love to play anything off the Fight Club soundtrack (that's the Dust Brothers), and 3 albums of a (seemingly) obscure ambient band called Shinjuku Thief (found on Dorobo Records, though I can't seem to BUY anything from them.)

Kemrain the Deaf.

 

[EricNoah]

Now that Dreaded_Beast has gotten his answer, and we're starting to drift off I'm gonna slide this over to Off Topic where you can go nuts talking about music genres etc.

 

[Mirth]

I think someone'd need hospitalization if anyone brought rap to my table, but that's me...Also love to play anything off the Fight Club soundtrack (that's the Dust Brothers)...

Hate to break it to you, but The Dust Brothers are hip-hop. Their biggest claim to fame is the fact that they produced Paul's Boutique by the Beastie Boys. Welcome to the fold.

 

[BrooklynKnight]

I embrace rock and metal for my modern games or intense combat scenes in fantasy games. Hip-Hop/rap is almost always saved for the idiot bad guys or the fool npcs that make complete idiots of themselves.

any player bringing hip-hop or rap to my games is immediatly banned from the game.

 

[Mirth]

Never tried rap at the game table.

When I saw the first TV ad for the video game "Def Jam Vendetta", with "X Gonna Give it to Ya", I thought, that's what I oughta run, using d20 Modern / Blood and Fists. And someday I might.

In a couple of weeks, I'm running a one-shot Jonny Quest-meets-Stargate kinda thing for d20 Modern. I plan on recording a soundtrack and giving copies to the players as keepsakes. No rap, though. Mostly B3 stuff -- Charlie Hunter, Medeski Martin and Wood, Niacin, maybe even some Booker T and the MGs. I'll try to stick to the more atmospheric material rather than the dancable stuff.

If you dig the B3, you might want to check out a couple of Blue Note compilations called So Blue, So Funky: Heroes of the Hammond, Volumes 1 & 2. I think they are still in print and, if so, they should be available separately. Artists include Big John Patton (my personal favorite), Jimmy McGriff, Jimmy Smith, Freddie Roach, Fred Jackson, Baby Face Willette, Larry Young, George Braith, Lou Donaldson, Brother Jack McDuff, Grant Green (my favorite jazz guitarist, who often had Big John Patton on Hammond with him), Curtis Amy, Paul Bryant, Richard "Groove" Holmes and Johnny Lytle. Fantastic stuff. Also if you're a MMW fan, be sure to check out John Scofield's A Go Go where Medeski, Martin and Wood play the backing band to Scofield's funked out lead jazz guitar.

 

[Desdichado]

Well, since we're officially off topic now...

Well, I don't really have anything profound that I didn't already say. The only Angry White Male music that I like (hey, didn't those guys bring Newt Gingrich into power anyway?) is Futurepop, EBM and some other, similar Industrial outfits.