D&D 5E (2024) Rate D&D 2024

[cbwjm]

IMO it’s impossible to rate without some context around the rating. That might be other movies in general or other Superman movies or all entertainment. But implicitly you are rating it against something. Usually it’s the closest category that one possess enough high quality data points to differentiate items in that caregory. But not necessarily so.

I disagree, I never rate movies in relation to another movie, the only rating I give a movie is my enjoyment of it. The only time I rate movies against another is if someone asks something like "how would you compare the new superman movie against other superman movies".

 

[TheSword]

I disagree, I never rate movies in relation to another movie, the only rating I give a movie is my enjoyment of it. The only time I rate movies against another is if someone asks something like "how would you compare the new superman movie against other superman movies".

With my rating I think how likely am I to recommend it to someone else. Not as opposed to other games but in isolation.

I guess that’s the same principle. If I’m rating a restaurant I don’t mark it down because there’s another restaurant in town that I happen to like as well.

Folks of course can rate however they like. It’s fascinating what people consider to be the base line and how they reach their rating.

 

[Lazybones]

TheSword's list of valued improvements is very similar to mine, so I'll just endorse that. I support everyone's right to an opinion, but some people in this thread seem to be implying that it's ridiculous to consider the new ruleset an improvement over 2014. Folks can stick with 2014 or pick up a different game if they want, but personally I like the new rules and am looking forward to future releases.

 

[Micah Sweet]

Normally, I would not argue, but this is the Rate 2024 thread, so I am going to argue: running 2024 now, I have not found a change yet that is not worse or at best neutral. Nothing I have seen on the GM side is a marked improvement. I think some of players like some of the player facing changes, but certainly not all.

Why wouldn't the players like the changes? Most of them make their PCs stronger.

 

[Benjamin Olson]

I think it absolutely can. I actually use Counterspell now as a wizard PC and as a DM. I would never use it before because it required this silly guessing game about the level of the spell. Now it’s usable.

2014 was somehow unusable because your character might have to make an ability check, but 2024 where the target always gets a saving throw is somehow more "usable"? I mean I guess that makes sense on the "I sometimes feel bad as a DM just auto-killing one of a low level PCs few spells for the day" front, but otherwise this claim does not seem to stand up to much logical scrutiny.

But hey, evidently you have an edition now that you love so much that even the obvious nerfs are also somehow power upgrades to you. Congratulations. Enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[GMMichael]

5/10, one reason being clarity:

A: What's an NPC?
B: It stands for non-player-character.
A: So, everything that's not a player-character. Like my sword?
B: No, it means every character that doesn't have a player.
A: Who plays the character if it doesn't have a player?
B: The DM.
A: So the troll we just killed is an NPC? The DM played it.
B: No, it's a monster. NPCs have a "personal name and distinct personality."
A: NPCs aren't monsters, then.
B: Well, an NPC is a monster, too. It just has a name.
A: Huh. What's a monster?
B: "A creature controlled by the GM."
A: Shucks. I wanted to cast Charm Monster on Steve's character.
B: You can, I guess. Charm Monster affects a "creature."
A: Just to be safe, what's a creature?
B: Um . . . "any being in the game."
A: "Being." Like any living being?
B: "Being" isn't in the glossary. I don't think it has to be living. Like a golem, or a skeleton.
A: Whoa! So I can charm the troll we just killed, and it would have to be Friendly to me?
B: I guess. You're overthinking this.

 

[Chaltab]

2014 was somehow unusable because your character might have to make an ability check, but 2024 where the target always gets a saving throw is somehow more "usable"? I mean I guess that makes sense on the "I sometimes feel bad as a DM just auto-killing one of a low level PCs few spells for the day" front, but otherwise this claim does not seem to stand up to much logical scrutiny.

But hey, evidently you have an edition now that you love so much that even the obvious nerfs are also somehow power upgrades to you. Congratulations. Enjoy it while it lasts.

You know I'm also unhappy with the change to Counterspell but I feel like this is an unwarranted level of salt over it.

 

[FrogReaver]

I disagree, I never rate movies in relation to another movie, the only rating I give a movie is my enjoyment of it. The only time I rate movies against another is if someone asks something like "how would you compare the new superman movie against other superman movies".

Relating it to all the other things you enjoy isn’t disagreement with me. It’s in perfect alignment with what I said.

 

[Chaltab]

Why wouldn't the players like the changes? Most of them make their PCs stronger.

I mean I'd wager there are Paladin players who don't like the nerf to Smite.

 

[Micah Sweet]

I mean I'd wager there are Paladin players who don't like the nerf to Smite.

I did say "most" of the changes.