Rings of Power -- all opinions and spoilers welcome thread.

[Parmandur]

Are they? I thought they mostly speak the common language. Even Miriel is saying she's the daughter of Ar-Inziladûn instead of Tar-Palantir (probably because the audience would be puzzled by the palantir in his bedroom?), Durin decides to name his metal in sindarin with Elrond... Are there so many instance of quenya spoken in the show? It didn't strike me. I remember a few words exchanged between Elendil and Galadriel? The show is already longer than the three LotR fims and I have more striking recollection of elvish in those films (Gandalf and Saruman battling over the Caradhras for example) than in the show.



Both can be blamed equally, but I tend to blame less the people who take the money than the one with the idea and the money ;-)

As opposed to using Simdarin, Tolkien's second constructed Elven language that wa moatly what was used in the Jackson movies, not English. And yes, there is a lot of Quenya in the show.

 

[Maxperson]

Yes, they could have done the thing they accomplished, obviously.

They could have done the exact same thing while not kicking the Tolkien fans between the legs. Nothing would have been sacrificed except bad PR.

 

[MarkB]

They could have done the exact same thing while not kicking the Tolkien fans between the legs. Nothing would have been sacrificed except bad PR.

If they did it differently, how would it be the exact same thing? And do you really think every other Tolkien fan would agree with you as to which are the things that need to be different and which need to stay the same?

No matter what they did, some part of the fandom would still take offence. So they went with the option that would work for a mainstream audience while still satisfying at least some of the more dedicated fans.

 

[Parmandur]

They could have done the exact same thing while not kicking the Tolkien fans between the legs. Nothing would have been sacrificed except bad PR.

Even most fans won't know what changes they made, and it is hardly in evidence that those who do feel they have been "kicked between the legs" by and large. Discounting the 1 star reviews, which are ludicrous om theor face, the majority of reviews are 5 stars: last I checked, 5 star reviews were almost theajoriry even with the cartoonist review bombing included.

 

[Maxperson]

Even most fans won't know what changes they made, and it is hardly in evidence that those who do feel they have been "kicked between the legs" by and large.

You really think that most book fans aren't going to notice the differences?

Discounting the 1 star reviews, which are ludicrous om theor face, the majority of reviews are 5 stars: last I checked, 5 star reviews were almost theajoriry even with the cartoonist review bombing included.

If you ignore the ruining of Tolkien's work, it was a fairly decent fantasy story, so I can see the good reviews. That's what I did with the LotR movies. I simply removed Tolkien from the movies and enjoyed them and Jackson was far better at keeping Tolkien's vision than this show. I couldn't do that with the Hobbit, because it was just terribly bad on its face.

 

[Parmandur]

You really think that most book fans aren't going to notice the differences?

I am a book fan, as big as they come. I was not offended, and beyond not being offended I was impressed with how intelligent, respectful, and well done the changes were for the interests of this show as it's own independent piece of myth.

If you ignore the ruining of Tolkien's work, it was a fairly decent fantasy story, so I can see the good reviews. That's what I did with the LotR movies. I simply removed Tolkien from the movies and enjoyed them and Jackson was far better at keeping Tolkien's vision than this show. I couldn't do that with the Hobbit, because it was just terribly bad on its face.

Tolkien's work is not ruined here, by any means. And honestly, if really surprised. I was expecting something more along the lines of the Wheel of Time show, a big budget embarrassing hatchet job. So it puzzles me that some segment of the population is reacting like that is what happened, rather than the masterpiece of tribute that I saw.

 

[trappedslider]

so it is ruined forever

 

[Maxperson]

so it is ruined forever

I don't know about forever. This particular show isn't Tolkien, though. It's pretty good as a fantasy story, but that's about it. In the future maybe someone else will make a good show that also preserves the feel of Tolkien.

 

[Garthanos]

I couldn't do that with the Hobbit, because it was just terribly bad on its face.

Yeh I mean to me the most objectionable thing might have been the philosophic failure of trying to make the Dwarves too heroic...

 

[Maxperson]

Yeh I mean to me the most objectionable thing might have been the philosophic failure of trying to make the Dwarves too heroic...

You could remove the entire second movie and not lose anything

The Hobbit should have been 1 or MAYBE 2 movies that didn't go into any of the extra stuff. And the Black Arrow should have been an arrow, not a ballista bolt