Rogue archetypal characters

[Fallen Seraph]

I dunno the new Bond (Daniel Craig) can kick some serious ass, in a very brawny rogue way too.

 

[Frostmarrow]

I dunno the new Bond (Daniel Craig) can kick some serious ass, in a very brawny rogue way too.

Indeed.

 

[Imp]

As a resident Leiber fan...

I'd say Mouser, class-wise, probably would be a Brawny rogue, though he does try to use his wits & quick tongue to get the Twain out of trouble when feasible. But, despite this, he's certainly no slouch when it comes to combat.

He can also throw his offhand dagger like a champ, so I guess he's right out in 4e.

I dunno. The Grey Mouser doesn't ever jump people. He's like a fighter with rogue skills, hence the usual multiclassing in depicting him in RPGs. He is portrayed as being very agile, but not that much more than Fafhrd (who is depicted as a finesse fighter, just one who's strong enough to pull off classical fencing style with a longsword).

 

[Dr. Strangemonkey]

Indeed.

Speaking of, Jack Burton of Big Trouble in Little China fame.

 

[mach1.9pants]

Speaking of, Jack Burton of Big Trouble in Little China fame.

Man, that is a blast from the past. Forgot about seeing that (and wanting to be him) when I was a teen! Who else thought the dragon girl thing was hot?....

 

[small pumpkin man]

Raven from the Black Company is obviously a Rogue (as has been briefly pointed out) since he likes his stealth, he really likes his daggers and he never really goes toe to toe with anyone for an extended period of time. (although he is multiclassed in a way that conveniently shows off his eduction and high int)

I'm going to go for artful dodger on the tactics choice, he may not be the nicest of blokes, but his bluff & intimidate are top notch(conveniently appropriate with the no diplomacy as a class skill), and he never really shows off his "brute force".

 

[Li Shenron]

Hmm. I still think they're a lot more Charismatic in their approach to problems than "Intelligent". It's all about Bluffing their way through situations and using the abilities of their allies. Mind you, I don't think they really come under the "rogue" archetype... skills such as stealth, thievery, sneak attack, etc. really aren't part of their characters at all. Aahz is a fighter/wizard (with wizard temporarily disabled) and Skeeve is a wizard... they can just both use Deception skills.

Tanda, on the other hand, is a Charismatic Rogue.

Cheers!

Charisma contended with Wisdom the role of dump-stat for D&D rogues since a very long time, and today all of sudden everyone realize that most Rogues are charismatic!

I think it's like that only because MOST main characters in novels and fiction are charismatic by default. If they are the unique protagonist of the story (like Indiana Jones or James Bond or Lara Croft or Arsene Lupin), they are practically always charismatic, because that's what makes the protagonist "cool" when seen interacting with other characters. There are very FEW fiction protagonists/main characters who are NOT charismatic, as that makes for an unsual fictional hero.

That means you get charismatic rogues, but also charismatic wizards (nearly all of them, at least the good ones), charismatic warriors etcetera...

 

[Frostmarrow]

Charisma contended with Wisdom the role of dump-stat for D&D rogues since a very long time, and today all of sudden everyone realize that most Rogues are charismatic!

I think it's like that only because MOST main characters in novels and fiction are charismatic by default. If they are the unique protagonist of the story (like Indiana Jones or James Bond or Lara Croft or Arsene Lupin), they are practically always charismatic, because that's what makes the protagonist "cool" when seen interacting with other characters. There are very FEW fiction protagonists/main characters who are NOT charismatic, as that makes for an unsual fictional hero.

That means you get charismatic rogues, but also charismatic wizards (nearly all of them, at least the good ones), charismatic warriors etcetera...

While you are absolutely right I think we will see builds for strong rogues, fast rogues, tough rogues, dedicated rogues, smart rogues, and charismatic rogues. Perhaps the 'brawny' in brawny rogue is a label applicable to all classes; brawny wizard, brawny cleric, and so on. Fast paladin, dedicated warlord. (Well, just because there is a grid doesn't mean we have to fill it in. Only that we will eventually.)

 

[mach1.9pants]

He can also throw his offhand dagger like a champ, so I guess he's right out of 4e.

errmm why? Why can you not throw a dagger off hand in 4E?

 

[Scarbonac]

Hanse, aka Shadowspawn - thief-y rogue
Lastel, aka One-Thumb - Assassin, information-broker, drug dealer (intelligent rogue?)
Samlor hil Samt - caravaner, minor magician; brawny rogue
Jubal - crimelord: charismatic & intelligent rogue