Rogue to Fighter? Well, maybe...

[NightOwl]

Thanks & A few more questions...

First of all...THANKS for all of the info, suggestions, etc.!

[Limper: It's really a good idea all in all. Use the ranger class to bridge the gap between rogue and fighter.]

That is a good idea!

[Shard O'Glase: You get more skill points, a racial enemy, a version of ambidex and two wepaon fighting, then a bonus feat with that 1st fighter level for that spring attack feat(note no two weapon attacks while spring attacking), oh and you get track thrown in as a bonus.]

What?! No 2-weapon attacks while spring attacking?! Are you serious?! What fun is that?! If that's the case then I may as well just stay a rogue and get my 2nd attack at 8th level instead of going through all of this...

[Christian: I'd edited out a paragraph with some dumb stuff in it, but it also had the sentence where I assumed he used his 8th level bonus ability point to bump the Dex to 18. Thanks, Doctor Z.]

Actually Christian, I would likely use my bonus point to raise my Dex to 18...so you were still right in a sense!

Thanks again,

NightOwl

 

[Dr. Zoom]

Re: Thanks & A few more questions...

What?! No 2-weapon attacks while spring attacking?! Are you serious?! What fun is that?! If that's the case then I may as well just stay a rogue and get my 2nd attack at 8th level instead of going through all of this...

You still cannot make that second attack with spring attack, so I would still go with the ranger/fighter levels for the power boost.

Originally posted by Christian
Durf. I'd edited out a paragraph with some dumb stuff in it, but it also had the sentence where I assumed he used his 8th level bonus ability point to bump the Dex to 18. Thanks, Doctor Z.

Yeah, I figured it might be something like that. I certainly would bump my dex to 18 at 8th level with those scores.

 

[Taloras]

1 question....why the hell would you use a short sword when a rapier will qualify for Weapon Finesse, does as much damage, and has a better crit?

 

[Crothian]

1 question....why the hell would you use a short sword when a rapier will qualify for Weapon Finesse, does as much damage, and has a better crit?

Short swords a light weapon, so you can use it while grappled. Also, it's better in your off hand. You also have a slightly greater chance of finding a magical short sword, then a magical rapier assuming the randome charts in the PHB are used.

Then there's the cool reason of not having to always use the most powerful weapons in the game.

 

[Taloras]

Know whats funny about the chance of finding a magical shortsword compared to a magical rapier? the magical rapier was the first magic item we found in our game. we found it at 2nd level i think, and im still using it at 7th.....1d6 damage, 18-10/x2 crit....

 

[sty]

Sorry for the mistake...

I´m sorry for the feat mistake, I wasn´t with my books....
But I have something new, now... I´m not sure again...
If you have a mitharll (mithrill of LOTR) rapier it´d be considered light wep. (Mithrall armor is considered one "size" down; full plate of mithrill is considered mediun armor).
So, you can fight with two rapiers!!!! (18-20 x2 critical!!)
But your wep finesse feat for short sword would be "lose".....
Can anyone tell me if it´s corret!??
I do think so, because mithral makes the wep lighter (less pounds for you to carry), so it´s easier to use it!!!!

Sorry again for the feats in the 7th lvl....

 

[Elder-Basilisk]

Sorry to burst your bubble but a mithril rapier wouldn't count as a "light" weapon, it would just be lighter. The game term "light" has different meaning when applied to weapons and armor. Light armor is light (in terms of weight) and non-encumbering. "Light" weapons are one size category or more smaller than the character.

Consequently, an Adamantine Chain Shirt sized for a fire giant is still light armor despite its greater size and weight. In contrast, a shortsword is not a light weapon for a halfling (or other size Small creature) but a bastard sword is a light weapon for an ogre (size Large creature).

The DMG specifies that mithril reduces the weight of both armor and weapons but only makes armors one category lighter. In the mechanics this is very clear.

Logically, it also follows: Armor that is thinner and lighter could be made easier to manuever in (and thus be considered light or medium armor instead of heavy armor). On the other hand, a mithril rapier is still the same size as a normal rapier and wouldn't necessarily become easier to wield in the off hand.

 

[sty]

I don´t know this rules...

I don´t know this rules (mithrall, light mediun wepon for size intead weight) but I do think that if a mediun size wep is ligher in weight, it´s easier to fight with in the off hand, don´t you think so!!?
I think the problem with two-wep fighting is the weight of the wepons, but not the size itself. (It´s obvius that I think this way with mediun caracter and mediun and light wepons).
But rules are rulesz.....
I´m not a DM, but if I´d have an adventure and the player wants to fight this way (2 mithrall rapiers) I do think I´d allowed him to do this!!! House rulesz!!!!!

So any way... What is the gain for a mithrall wepon!?
Does a mithrall long sword can the fighten with wep finesse feat!?
Woudl that be a house rule!?

 

[Darklone]

Huhm.

I would drop the ranger idea. Go for four levels of fighter and take weapon specialisation shortsword. That way you still can do some decent damage with two shortswords while fighting with two weapons.

Would look like this:

• Level 7: rog6/ftr1, feat: Weapon Focus (shortsword)
• Level 8: rog6/ftr2, feat: Ambidex, Dex 18
• Level 9: rog6/ftr3, feat: TWF
• Level 10: rog6/ftr4, feat: Weapon Spec (shortsword)

At lvl10 you would have a BAB of +8/+3, including TWF and Weapon Focus/Finesse you would have three attacks at +11/+6 for the main hand and +11 for the second hand. +2 damage for each hand (better than Str). I admit that it's not much compared to your sneak attack damage, but you can't always bet on that one, you have to expect tougher foes now and then.

 

[Old One]

Bribe the Wizard...

Nightowl -

I would bribe Quinten Farsail into creating a bunch of Cat's Grace and Bull's Strength potions for you! (Sorry everyone, inside joke).

Another option, which lends even more flexibility, would be to go:

• Rogue 6/Ranger 1 - Pseudo-Feats of TWF, Ambidexterity and Racial Enemy
• Rogue 6/Ranger 1/Fighter 1 - Spring Attack + increase Dex to 18
• Rogue 6/ Ranger 1/Fighter 2 - Combat Reflexes and Quickdraw (1 bonus fighter feat + every 3rd level feat)

This combination allows you to use a reach weapon (ransuer, longspear, glaive) to deliver punishing sneak attacks while maintaining standoff. If an opponenet closes, you drop the reach weapons and pull the shortswords.

The low strength remains a problem, but could be counteracted by buffing spells or a magical reach weapon (although I know how stingy your DM is ).

~ Old One