Save Bluffside

Crothian

First Post
Gencon was not all happiness and fun, I'm sorry to say. I learned to my suprise that Bluffside is falling to the wayside. MEG said they are still looking at doing a pdf for it, but other then that it won't be supported. It was one of those business descions, and Doug and Hal explained it too me and I could tell they were more then a little sad to see it go.

But I don't want it to go. And I'm hoping I'm not alone in this. So, I want to save Bluffside or at least insure that there will be pdf support. I love pdfs, so that doesn't bother me. So, please, people of EN World show your Bluffside support and post that you don't want this great city to fade away.
 

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BiggusGeekus

That's Latin for "cool"
Huh?

Bluffside is one of the few "must have" city products out there. Whenever someone has a recommend-a-citybook thread, Bluffside always comes up.

I'm somewhat taken aback by this development.
 

Teflon Billy

Explorer
Wierd.

Wierd and sad.

Bluffside was the "catch my attention and refuse to release it" product from the 2002 ENnie awards. Thank God I still have my copy.

Sad to see it go, but if it's not selling, it's not selling.:(
 

trancejeremy

Adventurer
I don't think Bluffside was generic enough.

Neat place, but dragon men? Winged folk?

I would be shocked if more than a handful of people bought the Empire of Sands book. It's not hard to drop a city into your own setting, but an empire of dragon people?
 

MEG Hal

First Post
Let me clarify that.
We are (at the moment) only going to do pdf products for it we will not stop selling it etc...

We have so many lines etc that when we have to see what we need to do to trim down the lines it is the one with the lower sales.

I think what happened was it was sooooo long between Bluffie and Interludes: Sands of Pain that the retailers kinda forgot..so sales dipped, and our other lines stay strong so all I can say is we will support the city and outskirts with pdf's but any other books (like the upcoming underwater book "The Deep") will not be Bluffside specific but will use and reprint items from that setting.

So the way to save it is for ditributors to see strong sales of the four books from that generic setting.

Like Crothian said this was a business decision not a "we are over Bluffie" decision. I do love the book and we use it all the time but the market decides what line stays and what line goes, and at the moment Bluffie will be pdf release only on future products.
 
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MEG Hal

First Post
trancejeremy said:
I don't think Bluffside was generic enough.

Neat place, but dragon men? Winged folk?

I would be shocked if more than a handful of people bought the Empire of Sands book. It's not hard to drop a city into your own setting, but an empire of dragon people?

*holds trancejeremy so he doesn't fall over*
Dry Lands did fine but compared to our other books not enough when it came down to trimming down the lines. Our "poorer" selling books sell more then some other companies (at our level) bigger sellers but we need to focus the teams and the Bluffie setting looks to be a casuality.
 

Harlock

First Post
Say it ain't so?!

Man, I loved Interludes: Brief Expeditions to Bluffside so much when i played in it, I had to buy it and Bluffside both. Since then I picked up both Empire of the Sand and Sands of Pain. Bluffside was the first d20/non WotC book I bought because I enjoyed it so much. This sucks, man. I know Hal and Doug are probably not thrilled either, so, I'm not griping at them, but for the love of all that is D&D, Bluffside is a great book and if it cannot make it... it's a little scary. Now I sound like a chicken little, which I don't want to... Never the less, Hal, if you just need a big hairy shoulder to cry on... umm, I'm not going to finish that sentence.
 

Leopold

NKL4LYFE
while i don't mind seeing BS goto PDF i do worry that there won't be anymore support for it! I love this city, this is THE greyhawk replacement for D20 and now it'll fade away eventually. bummer :(
 

MEG Hal

First Post
Leopold said:
while i don't mind seeing BS goto PDF i do worry that there won't be anymore support for it! I love this city, this is THE greyhawk replacement for D20 and now it'll fade away eventually. bummer :(

I may not be totally clear, we have two new Bluffside adventures to be released as pdf's this year. The book is staying in circulation what I was saying is support will be in pdf form.

I did not see you at all at GenCon Leopold where you avoiding me? :D
 

Mystic Eye

First Post
Well, Hal is correct but I thought I would jump on and clarify some stuff for ya all.

Bluffside will have some on-line support with two adventures scheduled for PDF soon.
We will also be releasing Bluffside as a PDF.
We chose to focus on some good producing and pontentially good producing products (example: Sups for Arcana Unearthed). Stopping production of what was on the bottom of the revenue stream (not what we loved or did not love) and sadly, Bluffside lost some momentum during our changes and never recovered.
Our minds would certainly change if we saw a massive upheaval of support in the retail channel but trying to revitalize a line that has lost its steam is not the best way for us to use our resources.

That is not to say there will be no support at all, though I cannot say what will happen after these two PDF adventure releases.

We wanted to produce city section guides to Bluffside but the reality is that Bluffie has a loyal, but small, fanbase. Less than 2k perhaps, so we would be seriously limiting the scope of the product but producing, lets say, a Sordadon sourcebook.

We actually all love Bluffside to death and it was my sincerest hope that in taking on the property we could keep it alive. Unfortunately, our resources are finite and we need to focus where our energies are best served.

I hope you all understand and would not be beyond any proposals for someone to continue Bluffside. It is not a bad seller, just not where we need our numbers to be with our production values and current product costs.
 

Crothian

First Post
I'd like to thank Doug and Hal for stopping by and explaining things. When I heard at Gen Con that Bluffside was not doing well, I talked to Hal about doing this thread. I didn't want to step on anyones toes so to speak by making this announcement if he didn't want me to. So, thanks guys and I really am looking forward to getting those adventures.
 

I'd suggest fans of the setting speak with thier wallets. If you have it and love it and want more of it, get friends to buy it, buy it for friends, and make sure you get the PDF's when they come out. Business is business, if you buy it the product will come.:D
 

EOL

First Post
Don't forget that DireKobold.com has three Bluffside adventures written by Wil Upchurch (though the third, a massive dungeon crawl, won't be out until September).

A Rain for all Tomorrows the latest of these was just released the Tuesday before GenCon. I just barely posted a snippet (the gibbering mouther which grows as the party fights it, truly a classic). So you can get a taste of it even if all you have is the free demo subscription.

I love the Bluffside setting as well and I'm happy to have the chance to publish some adventures set in this very cool city.
 

Crothian

First Post
EOL said:
Don't forget that DireKobold.com has three Bluffside adventures written by Wil Upchurch (though the third, a massive dungeon crawl, won't be out until September).

How did I miss this? Wil's a great guy (though I never saw him at Gen Con) and this just makes my day.
 

drnuncheon

First Post
Suck.

I've been pimping it in my Story Hour (I even had one character inherit the barony that Kirkwood is a part of) and I know I've gotten a couple of people interested.

With any luck, the release of the PDFs will help things out. Any of those upcoming adventures for higher-level folk? Maybe you guys could do a new, even better city for AU?

J
 

MEG Hal

First Post
drnuncheon said:
Suck.

I've been pimping it in my Story Hour (I even had one character inherit the barony that Kirkwood is a part of) and I know I've gotten a couple of people interested.

With any luck, the release of the PDFs will help things out. Any of those upcoming adventures for higher-level folk? Maybe you guys could do a new, even better city for AU?

J

Thanks drnuncheon, as for AU the next two books gave been green lit and we not have discussed what #4 will be so... ya never know. Once again we will not kill Bluffie just not do any more in print books for it at this time.
/slaps head
Yes I can not believe I forgot about http://direkobold.com they have 3 and all from Wil and for a small subsrcition price you can scale them...so get those and the two we are releasing and you will actually have a heavy Bluffside year!
 

thundershot

Adventurer
Tell you what, Hal... I'll forgive you if you let RPGNow sell them as PODs.

Please?

PDFs are way too messy to print out and put in a binder for actual use....


Thanks
Chris
 

MEG Hal

First Post
thundershot said:
Tell you what, Hal... I'll forgive you if you let RPGNow sell them as PODs.

Please?

PDFs are way too messy to print out and put in a binder for actual use....


Thanks
Chris

mmmm never even thought of that, I will talk to Doug and consider that. I have seen some of the POD from ENPublishing and was suprised at the quality!

Great idea Chris!
 

thundershot

Adventurer
YES!!! There is HOPE!

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Thanks!
Chris
 

Mystic Eye

First Post
thundershot said:
Tell you what, Hal... I'll forgive you if you let RPGNow sell them as PODs.

Please?

PDFs are way too messy to print out and put in a binder for actual use....


Thanks
Chris

That is a good idea! I will follow up on that. I am also sorry that I forgot to mention the three part adventure series at Dire Kobold by Wil Upchurch. They are awesome.
 

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