Science Fiction: Greatest TV Shows Part III

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
How can you forget the Gerry Anderson puppets? Thunderbirds was much more convincing than Space: 1999.

Best non-American SF shows (that have not yet been mentioned)
1. Hitchhhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
2. Red Dwarf
3. Survivors (1970's version)
4. Max Headroom
5. Orphan Black
6. Black Mirror
7. Dirk Gently (the British one, starring Steven Mangan)
8. Humans
9. Primeval
10. The Sarah Jane Adventures
I was going to list Red Dwarf too but the rules debarred comedy, I also included Sarah Jane Adventures in Doctor Who
I forgot Primeval but enjoyed its first season

....Automan? Really? Do you want to go into more detail on that one? I am ... confuddled by that choice.

I like the positivity of Automan, the FX for a TV show of the time was great, and the merge of super hero and buddy cop genre very much distilled the zeitgeist of the era whilst still maintaining a self deprecating sense of fun. Sci fi is too often dark and heavy, Automan managed to shine with digital light
 

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nevin

Hero
1 Star trek original
2 Babylon 5
3 Stargate
4 Farscape
5 Dr Who. Used to number 1 but has slipped The last two dr's. Even great actors couldnt save the bad scripts
6. Person of interest
7. Quantum leap
8. warehouse 13
9. Eureka. (In spite terrible last season due to squeazing 2 or 3 seasons Into 5 episodes)
10. Killjoys

Honorable mentions

Space above and beyond
Dark matter
Altered carbon
Flash gordon 2014 series
Andromeda
 

payn

Legend
I see person of interest popped up again. I tried folks, I really tried, but I couldnt keep going. Every time there was a hint that the show was going to move in a serial direction, it snaps back. The formula is just bland and I cant handle it.

Can somebody Spoiler season 3 on and let me know why the series is considered Sci-Fi and/or why it is great?
 

nevin

Hero
I see person of interest popped up again. I tried folks, I really tried, but I couldnt keep going. Every time there was a hint that the show was going to move in a serial direction, it snaps back. The formula is just bland and I cant handle it.

Can somebody Spoiler season 3 on and let me know why the series is considered Sci-Fi and/or why it is great?
Just the AI that has achieved full sentience qualifies it as scifi. Not hard core like star trek but still Sci Fi
 

MarkB

Legend
I see person of interest popped up again. I tried folks, I really tried, but I couldnt keep going. Every time there was a hint that the show was going to move in a serial direction, it snaps back. The formula is just bland and I cant handle it.

Can somebody Spoiler season 3 on and let me know why the series is considered Sci-Fi and/or why it is great?
Basically, "The Machine" is confirmed to be true AI, and there is much exploration of the nature of AI, and in particular of how/if an AI could have any kind of conscience or concern for humanity.
 

payn

Legend
Just the AI that has achieved full sentience qualifies it as scifi. Not hard core like star trek but still Sci Fi
I suppose. Its hard for me to buy in when POI is basically a police procedural modern version of Renegade starring Lorenzo Llamas.
 

nevin

Hero
I suppose. Its hard for me to buy in when POI is basically a police procedural modern version of Renegade starring Lorenzo Llamas.
To each his own. It is a good look at how future tech will most likely be used by sociopaths and governments.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Just the AI that has achieved full sentience qualifies it as scifi. Not hard core like star trek but still Sci Fi

"Hard core" is not a meaningful term here.

In addition, it will get confused with the term "hard sci-fi" which denotes how close a work keeps to real-world understanding of science in the time it was written. On that score, Person of Interest is very much more hard sci-fi than Trek is (and I say this as a devoted Trek fan).
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
I suppose. Its hard for me to buy in when POI is basically a police procedural modern version of Renegade starring Lorenzo Llamas.

So, just a question - how far did you get?

Because the series starts that way. It does eventually leave the episodic procedural behind.
 

payn

Legend
So, just a question - how far did you get?

Because the series starts that way. It does eventually leave the episodic procedural behind.
I got to season 3, which I was very excited because season 2 started moving away from the mundane crime fighting aspect, but then they hit the reset button in the first few episodes. Once it got to be more of the same, but now with two super soldiers, I gave up.
 

nevin

Hero
"Hard core" is not a meaningful term here.

In addition, it will get confused with the term "hard sci-fi" which denotes how close a work keeps to real-world understanding of science in the time it was written. On that score, Person of Interest is very much more hard sci-fi than Trek is (and I say this as a devoted Trek fan).
Conceded
 

payn

Legend
I get why folks consider POI sci-fi. My issues is that it feels like a surface only gimmick, as far as I was able to get, and its really a police procedural drama.
 

Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
I got to season 3, which I was very excited because season 2 started moving away from the mundane crime fighting aspect, but then they hit the reset button in the first few episodes. Once it got to be more of the same, but now with two super soldiers, I gave up.

So, most people think that Season 3 is the start of the "brilliant" run. When it really moved from "procedural, with hints of the story and the characters" to "full speed ahead."

That said, if you found nothing interesting about the show through two full seasons, maybe it's just not for you? For me, I realized somewhere around, oh, near the end of Season 1 that this was a show worth watching. If you're not feeling it by now, maybe it's not just not your cup of, um, tea? :)
 

payn

Legend
So, most people think that Season 3 is the start of the "brilliant" run. When it really moved from "procedural, with hints of the story and the characters" to "full speed ahead."

That said, if you found nothing interesting about the show through two full seasons, maybe it's just not for you? For me, I realized somewhere around, oh, near the end of Season 1 that this was a show worth watching. If you're not feeling it by now, maybe it's not just not your cup of, um, tea? :)
That was the original assessment, but I take you folks seriously and wanted to give it another go based on your high praise.
 

Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
That was the original assessment, but I take you folks seriously and wanted to give it another go based on your high praise.

Well, the reason it earns such high praise is that it really gets into ...

...issues of free will, philosophy, and AI. It's not even very subtle- eventually, you get to the issues of whether or not AIs can be "good" or "evil," and what that might even mean. By season 3, when we are introduced to another AI (Samaritan) these ideas become very explicit. The difference between these two AIs, and the relationships they have with humanity (such as Finch and Root), is a core and fascinating issue that plays out throughout the reaminder of the series.

Also? It's pretty, pretty cool.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
Risk if getting shot I wouldn't put a few if the classics in my top 5 eg Doctor Who or Star Trek. They're to inconsistent with a lot of bad episodes if not seasons. DS9 would probably make my top 10.

1. Stargate Atlantis.
2. Babylon 5
3/4 Farscape/ Stargate SG1 not sure on the order.

I would argue these 4 were the most consistent. They may have had the occasional duff episode but overall were good. Using that logic.

5. DS9 Most consistent Trek, season 1 was decent.
6. BSG reboot.
7. Continuum.
8.-10?

Parts of Doctor Who could make it if you cherry pick certain seasons or the best of TNG.

Star Treks just to inconsistent from the original series through to the movies and every show. DS9 is the only one I've managed to watch in it's entirety and enjoy.

Shows that screw up the ending badly or have entire dud seasons or ones that fall of the cliff don't really do it for me.

SG1 declined Ned season 9/10 but they weren't awful and some if it was good and most shows don't get a season 9/10.

Atlantis I enjoyed start to finish very few dud episodes, liked the cast etc and didn't go long enough to have the decline SG1 did. May not hit the same heights as some other shows but avoids the rough patches as well.
 
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Ryujin

Legend
Risk if getting shot I wouldn't put a few if the classics in my top 5 eg Doctor Who or Star Trek. They're to inconsistent with a lot of bad episodes if not seasons. DS9 would probably make my top 10.

1. Stargate Atlantis.
2. Babylon 5
3/4 Farscape/ Stargate SG1 not sure on the order.

I would argue these 4 were the most consistent. They may have had the occasional duff episode but overall were good. Using that logic.

5. DS9 Most consistent Trek, season 1 was decent.
6. BSG reboot.
7. Continuum.
8.-10?

Parts of Doctor Who could make it if you cherry pick certain seasons or the best of TNG.

Star Treks just to inconsistent from the original series through to the movies and every show. DS9 is the only one I've managed to watch in it's entirety and enjoy.

Shows that screw up the ending badly or have entire dud seasons or ones that fall of the cliff don't really do it for me.

SG1 declined Ned season 9/10 but they weren't awful and some if it was good and most shows don't get a season 9/10.

Atlantis I enjoyed start to finish very few dud episodes, liked the cast etc and didn't go long enough to have the decline SG1 did. May not hit the same heights as some other shows but avoids the rough patches as well.
I understand that Joe Flanigan tried buying the rights to Atlantis so that he could keep making it, but was turned down.
 

drl2

Explorer
1. Babylon 5
2. Galactica reboot (though I wasn't fond of the way it ended)
3+ - a hodge-podge of other stuff whose order would probably vary depending on my mood and which one I'd watched most recently. ST:TNG and DS9 are in there somewhere but not the rest of the Treks (though I don't share the widespread hatred of Odyssey), along with Farscape, and... er... uh... need coffee.
 

nevin

Hero
Risk if getting shot I wouldn't put a few if the classics in my top 5 eg Doctor Who or Star Trek. They're to inconsistent with a lot of bad episodes if not seasons. DS9 would probably make my top 10.

1. Stargate Atlantis.
2. Babylon 5
3/4 Farscape/ Stargate SG1 not sure on the order.

I would argue these 4 were the most consistent. They may have had the occasional duff episode but overall were good. Using that logic.

5. DS9 Most consistent Trek, season 1 was decent.
6. BSG reboot.
7. Continuum.
8.-10?

Parts of Doctor Who could make it if you cherry pick certain seasons or the best of TNG.

Star Treks just to inconsistent from the original series through to the movies and every show. DS9 is the only one I've managed to watch in it's entirety and enjoy.

Shows that screw up the ending badly or have entire dud seasons or ones that fall of the cliff don't really do it for me.

SG1 declined Ned season 9/10 but they weren't awful and some if it was good and most shows don't get a season 9/10.

Atlantis I enjoyed start to finish very few dud episodes, liked the cast etc and didn't go long enough to have the decline SG1 did. May not hit the same heights as some other shows but avoids the

Posting about wrong atlantis. Deleted
 

Hex08

Adventurer
Based on the rules as given, my top 10 are:
1. The Expanse
2. Battlestar Galactica (the reboot)
3. Babylon 5
4. Twilight Zone (original)
5. Star Trek (Pre-Paramount+ era. No P+ shows are finished so including those would break the rules and Discovery is so, so bad)
6. Stargate (SG-1 & Atlantis)
7. X-Files
8. Fringe
9. Quantum Leap
10. Contiuum

Honorable mentions: Orphan Black, The Outer Limits & The Prisoner

Other than the top 3 spots I'm not really stuck on my order but for now those are my top 10.
-edited my list because Snarf says later The Expanse became eligible-
 
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