Not the vent opening, but down the hole NTensity made, especially now that the troll disengaged from the mutant he was being attacked by...
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Not the vent opening, but down the hole NTensity made, especially now that the troll disengaged from the mutant he was being attacked by...
I was just reading the errata on Unarmed attack and what's posted in the Roll20 Compendium is as follows...
"Instead of using a weapon to make a melee weapon Attack, you can use an Unarmed Strike: a punch, kick, head--butt, or similar forceful blow (none of which count as weapons). On a hit, an Unarmed Strike deals bludgeoning damage equal to 1 + your Strength modifier. You are proficient with your unarmed strikes."
I always assumed unarmed attacks did 1d3 damage not just 1 point. Melee attack also assumes Strength modifier unless otherwise noted BUT again I always assumed that you could use either. Learn something new every day... SOOOO for this games Houserules, Melee can use Strength or Dexterity and normal unarmed deals 1d2 plus the same modifier in bludgeoning damage. Martial Arts ups the damage and allows you to use a Bonus action to make another unarmed attack. Martial Arts Expert lets you make this extra unarmed attack as a free action. Re-reading my notes on Martial Art Expert that might not be clear which is why I think Davos made an extra melee attack... when it was suppose to be an extra unarmed melee attack roll... sorry I will edit.
"Instead of using a weapon to make a melee weapon Attack, you can use an Unarmed Strike: a punch, kick, head--butt, or similar forceful blow (none of which count as weapons). On a hit, an Unarmed Strike deals bludgeoning damage equal to 1 + your Strength modifier. You are proficient with your unarmed strikes."
I always assumed unarmed attacks did 1d3 damage not just 1 point. Melee attack also assumes Strength modifier unless otherwise noted BUT again I always assumed that you could use either. Learn something new every day... SOOOO for this games Houserules, Melee can use Strength or Dexterity and normal unarmed deals 1d2 plus the same modifier in bludgeoning damage. Martial Arts ups the damage and allows you to use a Bonus action to make another unarmed attack. Martial Arts Expert lets you make this extra unarmed attack as a free action. Re-reading my notes on Martial Art Expert that might not be clear which is why I think Davos made an extra melee attack... when it was suppose to be an extra unarmed melee attack roll... sorry I will edit.
Binder Fred
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While on rules:
In GK's earlier SW 5E, there was the Pistoleer Feat that allowed you to ignore that for pistols (great Feat, loved it for the Gand <thumbs up>). Maybe we could do something similar here?
I think firing with ranged weapons in melee is at Disadvantage in 5E? (Not that it matters IC right now, mind). It's one of the reasons Ntensity backed-up instead of shooting his shotgun
In GK's earlier SW 5E, there was the Pistoleer Feat that allowed you to ignore that for pistols (great Feat, loved it for the Gand <thumbs up>). Maybe we could do something similar here?
Yes firing any range weapon while you are in melee, is at disadvantage BUT Light Firearms ignore this (also all firearms can be fired while prone and not at disadvantage which they are also normally at in base 5th ed). The light firearm notes is listed in GEAR & EQUIPMENT (under the light firearms weapon entry).
I did drop the Pistoleer feat from the Shadowrun rules for this reason (that all pistols could be fired in melee). For getting an extra ranged attack I added in one called Take a Knee, which let you get it for all types of firearms with certain conditions.
I did drop the Pistoleer feat from the Shadowrun rules for this reason (that all pistols could be fired in melee). For getting an extra ranged attack I added in one called Take a Knee, which let you get it for all types of firearms with certain conditions.
Binder Fred
3 rings to bind them all!
So firing heavy pistols, machine pistols, SMGs and shotguns in melee is ok? That... seems a little extreme.
A guy with something heavier than a light pistol would normally be at a definite disadvantage vs a guy with a sword at melee ranges: either sticking his arm out to be cut before he can press the trigger or firing at odd angles (i.e. not in-line with his or her arm). Not to mention what that does to the balance with melee-based characters like Davos... I'd suggest creating the "Light Pistol" tag and sticking that on just a few short, maneuverable and SS/low-recoil weapons if you really want? Else I'd go with 5E RAW and a Feat myself, but YMMV.
A guy with something heavier than a light pistol would normally be at a definite disadvantage vs a guy with a sword at melee ranges: either sticking his arm out to be cut before he can press the trigger or firing at odd angles (i.e. not in-line with his or her arm). Not to mention what that does to the balance with melee-based characters like Davos... I'd suggest creating the "Light Pistol" tag and sticking that on just a few short, maneuverable and SS/low-recoil weapons if you really want? Else I'd go with 5E RAW and a Feat myself, but YMMV.
Binder Fred
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You do get a bonus to attacks and damage roll when at close range (with a little training), it's called Point Blank Shot. 
In general though, you're perhaps neglecting the other half of the equation: it's not just about how easy it is to hit the other guy, it's also about not being hit in return? If you shoot the other guy in the chest but he runs you through with his sword, you both loose. So the question then becomes: how easy is it to shoot somebody at point-blank range *while* not getting hit in return? (Even if your first shot is a sure-kill, there are plenty of account of people getting shot and spearing/slashing-through their opponent before falling, sometimes minutes or hours later). Swords are remarkably good at both offending and defending at short ranges. Gun are only good at offense. If you want to defend too, you got to sacrifice (some of) that accuracy and dance out of the way of his attacks *while* shooting, brother.
That's my two-cents anyway
In general though, you're perhaps neglecting the other half of the equation: it's not just about how easy it is to hit the other guy, it's also about not being hit in return? If you shoot the other guy in the chest but he runs you through with his sword, you both loose. So the question then becomes: how easy is it to shoot somebody at point-blank range *while* not getting hit in return? (Even if your first shot is a sure-kill, there are plenty of account of people getting shot and spearing/slashing-through their opponent before falling, sometimes minutes or hours later). Swords are remarkably good at both offending and defending at short ranges. Gun are only good at offense. If you want to defend too, you got to sacrifice (some of) that accuracy and dance out of the way of his attacks *while* shooting, brother.
That's my two-cents anyway
