D&D (2024) Should 2014 Half Elves and Half Orcs be added to the 2025 SRD?

[Maxperson]

MOTM Orc was the Orc that pretty much made half-orc feel redundant, so your own argument was moot.

What are you talking about? The MotM Orc didn't get the bonus proficiency in intimidation or savage attacks. Those are very different abilities than powerful build(Ooooooh, I can carry more than I didn't carry before) or adrenaline rush.

I will use intimidation, but I already don't carry what a 16 or better strength can carry unimpeded, so poweful build is almost worthless to me. And while adrenaline rush is definitely a good ability, the extra damage from crits is better in my opinion.

In any case, the orc cannot make the half-orc feel redundant since the abilities are so different. The only real racial ability that they duplicate is relentless endurance. Darkvision doesn't really count since almost every race gets it.

 

[Maxperson]

If they have special mechanics that mean say, they are natural diplomats, that is undesirable in the modern game, because it has the message “if you are not born this way you can never excel as a diplomat”.

Baloney. They give powerful build to a few races. Other races can't get it. Some races get keen senses, but others do not. Some races don't have darkvision. Others don't have damage resistance.

The game is full of things some races get, but others do not. But where you example well and truly falls flat is in the incorrect assumption that races that aren't born that way can never excel as a diplomat. Being a natural diplomat only means that they don't need to try as hard to be one, not that they are going to be better at it than a dwarf that trains for diplomacy. All races can excel, half-elves just start with a bit of a boost. Just like every race with their special abilities.

So you cut the “born diplomats” from the game. Now anyone can excel as a diplomat.

Except anyone already could with "born diplomats" being present.

 

[Maxperson]

That's why I prefer super soldiers.

A combined effort between Grummush and the Dead Human God to send supper warriors to combat something nondivine.

Those would be halflings.

 

[Not a Decepticon]

They are definitely of the race of Men, as opposed to Dwarves or Elves.

They are also clearly not supposed to be humans, otherwise Tolkien wouldn't feel the need to preface the book with boring exposition dump to show they're just like ypu and me. I was expecting a lot of goalpost moving bit is is by ar stupidest.

I'm not sure what you'd call young, but in The Hobbit, Bilbo at "about fifty years old or so" is described as "grown up".

Ypung adult, still young.

 

[Not a Decepticon]

What are you talking about? The MotM Orc didn't get the bonus proficiency in intimidation or savage attacks. Those are very different abilities than powerful build(Ooooooh, I can carry more than I didn't carry before) or adrenaline rush.

I will use intimidation, but I already don't carry what a 16 or better strength can carry unimpeded, so poweful build is almost worthless to me. And while adrenaline rush is definitely a good ability, the extra damage from crits is better in my opinion.

In any case, the orc cannot make the half-orc feel redundant since the abilities are so different. The only real racial ability that they duplicate is relentless endurance. Darkvision doesn't really count since almost every race gets it.

They fid feel redundant enough to be merged into just Orc in 2024 PHB,didn't thry?

 

[Hriston]

Ypung adult, still young.

Sure, my point is that Frodo at 50 is not the spring chicken he was at 33, at his coming of age. This transition to adulthood occurs in humans between 17 and 22, whereas, at 50, Bilbo is described as having "in fact apparently settled down immovably." Settling down commonly characterizes the mid to late 30's in humans, which is towards the end of young adulthood rather than at the beginning.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Baloney. They give powerful build to a few races. Other races can't get it. Some races get keen senses, but others do not. Some races don't have darkvision. Others don't have damage resistance.

Physical differences are different from asserting an entire species have some sort of mental advantage or impediment.

 

[Not a Decepticon]

Sure, my point is that Frodo at 50 is not the spring chicken he was at 33, at his coming of age. This transition to adulthood occurs in humans between 17 and 22, whereas, at 50, Bilbo is described as having "in fact apparently settled down immovably." Settling down commonly characterizes the mid to late 30's in humans, which is towards the end of young adulthood rather than at the beginning.

Still, not what it is for humans. Are you really trying to claim 30 is old to pretend Hobbits are just exactly like humans?

 

[Hriston]

Still, not what it is for humans. Are you really trying to claim 30 is old to pretend Hobbits are just exactly like humans?

No, if you want to call a 40 or 45 year old human "young" because it fits with how you conceptualize young adulthood, that's fine. You wouldn't be alone. I just don't think a 50 year old hobbit being at the end of young adulthood is that different from a 40 year old human being at the end of young adulthood.

ETA: Personally, I was taken aback by you calling Frodo at 50 "young" because I think of Bilbo and Frodo at that age as entering middle age.

 

[Minigiant]

Physical differences are different from asserting an entire species have some sort of mental advantage or impediment.

What's wrong with mental advantages?

Like actual mental advantages.

Like minotaurs mentally being immune to the maze spell and being naturally mentally able to solve puzzles .

And don't Gnomes still have Gnome Cunning?

So it would not be a problem if a half elf natural got proficiency with Deception, Intimidation or Persuasion.