So, Wandavision?

[Tonguez]

Finally managed to see the last episode.

I think I may have missed something. The SWORD director is a dick, but I didn’t understand why the FBI arrested him at the end? He was working to stop a threat which was mind controlling an entire town, which is his job, no? Did he do something illegal that I may have missed or forgotten?

That was another gap in the shows writing, which is probably why the last episode made him a cartoonish villain who shoots children.

The only real hint we get that he did anything wrong was that SWORD had gone beyond Observation of SWs to actually trying to Create one. That reading though means that White Vision is now an illegal sentient weapon on the loose too.

but in terms of attempting to stop Wanda from dominating the town, I couldnt see why he should be arrested either

 

[Morrus]

but in terms of attempting to stop Wanda from dominating the town, I couldnt see why he should be arrested either

Heh. Yeah. Legalities of methods and faked evidence aside, it was a weird message, for sure, as Wanda, who had kidnapped and mind-controlled a whole town, walked freely past the handcuffed guy who was trying to stop her. I mean, she was doing evil stuff when we first met her in AoU, and she's still doing it.

 

[Umbran]

That also means that, by reanimating his corpse, he is guilty of necromancy.

I don't think there are any laws on the books about that...

 

[FitzTheRuke]

I don't think there are any laws on the books about that

I would not be surprised if it's on the books somewhere....

 

[MarkB]

And now we hit an interesting hitch. Was Ultron a person? If not, then Stark Industries is on the hook for all the damage Ultron does, as their technology run amok. That includes illegal acquisition of Vibranium, the death toll and property damage in Sokovia, goodness knows how many acts of cybercrime, etc. Stark Industries was big and wealthy, but not that wealthy. This should have destroyed Stark.

Ultron, aside from the Mind Stone, is ultimately derived from Iron Man technology, and Stark kept Iron Man off the books right from the start. Can Ultron be linked back to Stark Industries, or are Iron Man and its derivative technologies all projects entirely undertaken by Tony Stark as a private individual using his own resources?

But, it didn't. So either Ultron's origins were hidden from the world, and the whole thing covered up, or a legal out was found. Calling Ultron a person makes his actions purely his (I think they use the masculine pronoun in the movie) own, and gets stark largely off the hook.

Even that would be somewhat legally murky. Ultron undertook all those actions within the first few weeks or months of his existence, and did so in order to follow Stark's specific programmed instructions, albeit broadly interpreted. Can he be considered an independent, responsible adult? A good case could be made for him to be considered a minor with Tony Stark as his de facto parent / guardian.

It's entirely possible that the only reason this didn't drive Stark Industries - or Tony Stark as an individual - into the ground by the time of Endgame is because the whole thing is still dragging out through an international court somewhere.

 

[Tonguez]

A thing they don't talk about - Vision was not a human being, so there's a huge question about his legal status. If he had status as a person, then without concent of Vision or next-of-kin, what Heywood was doing was very illegal.

Hayward refers to Vision as SWORD property when he tells Wanda she cant take him

Also Hayward didnt detain Woo and Darcy, he was having them escorted off his base but they did a runner

 

[Rabulias]

I mostly hope not, if only because I - and I dare say we - don't need another "female character can't handle her powers" story.

The Chthon story is not that... she is possessed and controlled by an evil entity.

 

[MoonSong]

Marvel heroes/characters generally* are more relatable than DC ones.

That bit isn't really accurate anymore. Traditionally, that was the case, but given the overall refusal of Marvel to move on the status quo on any meaningful way, that is less and less a thing. Characters all started on a more relatable ground, but they are stuck on a perpetual loop. They don't evolve anymore. They have abrupt changes and go on those changes, but everything is eventually blown up and reset in the end. Very little growth is left after the dust settles, and even the matter of identity makes them harder to relate. I think it all started when Spiderman sold his marriage to the Devil. Or how Captain America keeps being resurrected/recreated by magical cosmic events. Certain characters have been flanderized to their vices and lows. Nothing advances, everything eventually resets. DC on the other hand, feels like a living world, with more characters evolving over time. Official mandates might prevent Batman from ever marrying, but the whole thing keeps moving, growing, evolving. We see characters who have grown, change, evolve, and that is way more relatable.

What's with everyone's obsession with making bunnies evil? I assume it's the creators making a Monty Python reference, but I seriously feel like I've seen this trope a ton of times recently.

Oh no, be certain bunnies are cute, but evil. Very evil, the only thing preventing a bunny take over is that evolution made bunnies helpless and delicious. But don't be mistaken, if a bunny gets the means and chance to do something evil, that bunny will do it...

 

[BRayne]

I don't think there are any laws on the books about that...

"Maximoff stormed our facility, stole the Vision's body, and resurrected him"
"But that's in direct violation of section 36B of the Sokovia Accords" (Ep5 11:51)

 

[Rune]

That was another gap in the shows writing, which is probably why the last episode made him a cartoonish villain who shoots children.

The reason he was a cartoonish villain who shoots at children* is because he has been a cartoonishly obvious villain to begin with. And he needed to be, so that the Agnes’s insidious villainy could sneak up on any viewer who didn’t already assume she was Agatha Harkness (or thought she might not be so bad).

* And keeps shooting the very real SWORD agent who stands in front to protect them – even if he doesn’t consider the kids real, that, alone, is arrest-worthy.