So, what was the first product where D&D's soul was sold?

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tx7321

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OK, after reading the Warz thread, its clear there is a general agreement that at some point TSR and WOTC chose to favor marketing and commercialism over the "needs" of the players.
I think there are some disagreements however as to when this very first occured.

Personally I think the first major "sell out" of D&Ds soul was with UA. This was the first time we saw money take center stage in a big way. Before this point one got the impression Gary Gygax was still in it for the "love" of the game. After this point, its as if the corporation takes over, Gary's heart just isn't in it anymore, and he's on the way out. Its clear greed and corporate profits become more important then the game itself.

Yep, UA was the first selling of D&Ds soul for a handful of silver. It was the rapids before the waterfall of what was a post-Gygax 2E world. Unfortunately 3E maintanes this corporate philosophy treating D&D as a commodity with "units sold" being the primary objective rather then functionality itself. Thats why 3E (a novelty based system like 2E) will fizzle out and not have the staying power of OD&D and AD&D IMO. But only time will tell...perhaps we'll see with the release of 4E as the majority of 3E players switch over for the newest and hottest D&D eye candy. ;)
 
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tx7321 said:
OK, after reading the Warz thread, its clear there is a general agreement that at some point TSR and WOTC chose to favor marketing and commercialism over the "needs" of the players.

What I don't understand is this: if what WOTC is producing is not what players want, then why do the players keep buying it? If players' needs were truly not being met, they wouldn't be buying the products, and WOTC would be losing money. They would then change course, if they were smart.

Players ARE the market. If you're not selling to the players, you go out of business. Given that WOTC have not gone our of the RPG business, it's clear that they're making money, so players must like what is being produced.
 

Personally, I think all the energy spent on trying to somehow empirically prove that 3e is an inferior game would be better spent on actually, y'know, playing one's game of choice.
 





delericho said:
Request to the mods: Can we have a ban on new "Edition Wars" threads for a while, the way we did for "4e threads" a while back?

If you've got a problem with a post, please report it. If you'd like to see a new policy, report the related post, or start a discussion over in Meta. Please don't start discussing whether the thread should exist within the thread itself.
 

tx7321 said:
...Thats why 3E (a novelty based system like 2E) will fizzle out and not have the staying power of OD&D and AD&D IMO.

"Staying power"? Try going into a game shop and see how many players you will get for O/AD&D vs. 3.X.
 

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