So, what was the first product where D&D's soul was sold?

[dcas]

Personally I think the first major "sell out" of D&Ds soul was with UA. This was the first time we saw money take center stage in a big way. Before this point one got the impression Gary Gygax was still in it for the "love" of the game. After this point, its as if the corporation takes over, Gary's heart just isn't in it anymore, and he's on the way out. Its clear greed and corporate profits become more important then the game itself.

Come on. D&D has always been a business venture by a very astute businessman (EGG). If it was all about love of the game then the game never would have gone beyond wargaming circles and started a whole new hobby.

 

[iwatt]

I'll say The Black Album.


Oh wait I got my sellout threads mixed up.

Load? Nah, I think you're right, although I love the black album

 

[dcas]

OK, after reading the Warz thread, its clear there is a general agreement that at some point TSR and WOTC chose to favor marketing and commercialism over the "needs" of the players.

How can a business be successful if it does not consider the "needs" of its customers?

 

[Aaron L]

OK, after reading the Warz thread, its clear there is a general agreement that at some point TSR and WOTC chose to favor marketing and commercialism over the "needs" of the players.

That's very astute of you, to come to a conclusion with no evidence required!

I am completely befuddled as to how a company is to fulfill the needs of it's custmers while not marketing to them? Is this some kind of bizarro universe?

 

[el-remmen]

I'll say The Black Album.


Oh wait I got my sellout threads mixed up.

At first I thought you might be talking about Jay-Z (2003), since I doubted Prince's Black Album (1987) could be considered a "sell out" - but then I realized you meant Metalica's Black Album (1991).

I guess that is popular name for records, though technically, I believe Spinal Tap's "Smell the Glove" (1984) is the first Black Album.

Oh wait, I forgot about the Damned's Black Album from like '81.

What is this thread about again?

 

[Flexor the Mighty!]

Load? Nah, I think you're right, although I love the black album

Me too.

 

[Flexor the Mighty!]

At first I thought you might be talking about Jay-Z (2003), since I doubted Prince's Black Album (1987) could be considered a "sell out" - but then I realized you meant Metalica's Black Album (1991).

I guess that is popular name for records, though technically, I believe Spinal Tap's "Smell the Glove" (1984) is the first Black Album.

Oh wait, I forgot about the Damned's Black Album from like '81.

What is this thread about again?

Well technically the Black Album by Metallica is formally titled "Metallica".

What is this thread about again?

I don't want to know.

 

[el-remmen]

BTW,

<MOD>Can we avoid any attacks and snide comments on the OP, please? Either speak to his thesis or ignore the thread (though, I guess I helped set the precedent for attemps at unrelated humor). Thanks. </MOD>

 

[Wormwood]

EDIT: oh never mind

 

[Maggan]

I don't think that there is any such general agreement.

I actually think there is a general agreement on EN World that there is no such thing as a general agreement when discussing anything related to D&D.

/M