Sorcerers and Sudden Metamagic Feats

[Lasher Dragon]

But because the sorcerer or bard has not prepared the spell in a metamagic form in advance, he must apply the metamagic feat on the spot.

I dunno, this part suggests to me that glass is right. Wizards did not prep the spell in a metamagic form to begin with either.

 

[Thanee]

Hmm... LOL?

Did they forgot to print the paragraph on how Sudden Metamagic feats work in Complete Arcane (at least I cannot find it).

SUDDEN METAMAGIC FEATS
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A sudden metamagic feat doesn't require a full-round action from casters who choose spells as they cast them, such as sorcerers and bards.

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Thanee

 

[Gez]

So yes that means Sudden Quicken is actually meaningful to spontaneous casters, unlike Quicken Spell.

Sorry, but Sudden Quicken is meaningful to nobody.

SUDDEN QUICKEN [METAMAGIC]
Prerequisites: Able Learner, Alertness, Black Lore of Moil, Blindsight 5-ft-Radius, Cosmopolitan, Daylight Adaptation, Delay Spell, Education, Endurance, Extra Turning, Favored of the Companion, Harem Trained, Human Heritage, Improved Unarmed Strike, Large And In Charge, Light Armor Proficiency, Magical Aptitude, Power Attack, Quicken Spell, Run, Sanctum Spell, School Focus (Abjuration), School Focus (Conjuration), School Focus (Divination), School Focus (Enchantment), School Focus (Evocation), School Focus (Illusion), School Focus (Necromancy), School Focus (Transmutation), Scribe Scroll, Skill Focus (Profession: Butler), Skill Focus (Profession: Tailor), Soul of the North, Spell Hand, Spellcasting Prodigy, Sudden Empower, Sudden Enlarge, Sudden Extend, Sudden Maximize, Sudden Sculpt, Sudden Silent, Sudden Still, Sudden Widen, Survivor, Thrall of Orcus, Toughness, Two-Weapon Fighting, Weapon Specialization (Kama).
Benefit: Once per day, you can apply the effect of the Quicken Spell feat to any spell you cast without incresing the level of the spell or specially preparing it ahead of time. You can still use Quicken Spell normally.​

 

[Gez]

Hmm... LOL?

Did they forgot to print the paragraph on how Sudden Metamagic feats work in Complete Arcane (at least I cannot find it).

Yes they did. Like they also forgot to print sleep in the Warmage spell list.

 

[Lasher Dragon]

Too true Gez, too true.

 

[Nail]

Ah. Well, that would change things, wouldn't it?

Currently (MH not withstanding), spontaneous casters gain no benefit from Sudden Quicken. IF WotC wants to errata that, so be it.

....they do wanna eratta that, right? Or have already?

Gez: Hilarious! ...and dead on.

 

[Thanee]

Where does Complete Arcane negate the rules printed in Miniatures Handbook (which is also 3.5 compliant)?

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Thanee

 

[Nail]

When one doesn't have MH.

A splatbook rule should not require a rule in another splatbook. It's just rude.

 

[Lasher Dragon]

So, is the MH for D&D, or is it for those prepainted mini heroclix-type things? If it's for D&D I need to get it... I had always assumed it was a separate entity.

 

[Thanee]

Partially. It is for the miniatures game somewhat, but it is a D&D book and also has rules for D&D (many of those have been reprinted in the Complete series, like the Favored Soul or the Sudden Metamagic stuff, also the Swift and Immediate actions were first introduced there).

I would not really recommend buying it, it has very little content (two or so classes and some other small stuff, like the explanation how Sudden Metamagic feats work ), that is relevant for D&D, if you already have the Complete series.

Bye
Thanee