guardianfallenangel
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Watched Species with my gf the other night, she was wondering if anyone has ever statted out Sil. Figured I'd drop by and ask just incase anyone had.
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Nyeshet
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Not that I'm aware of, although I'd guess that somewhere in her stats is the Psuedonatural template - perhaps modified a bit. She could change from a 'normal' seeming human(oid) to a scaly alien-looking one that had a tentacle or three as I recall. (One was her tongue? It's been a while since I watched Species.)
Let's see, in her altered form she could spider climb and had a tentacle attack with notable reach. Hmm, she likely had natural armor and perhaps some form of energy resistance. Maybe some fast healing? I don't recall any regen, however. Perhaps a 'disease' type touch, as the rat that at a bit from that severed thing changed into a rat variant of the template a day or two later. The change from being 'normal' to being templated (ie: able to change back and forth from the templated form) seems to require time in a coccoon as I recall, so throw that in somewhere as well - the descriptive text describing the transformation, perhaps. Like were's some can be natural while some are changed later (from consuming the flesh / blood of a templated one, perhaps, or perhaps a severe form of injury - an open wound splashed with some of the blood of the creature, perhaps - might also affect the change).
From her movements I'm guessing that Dex increased, as well as Str, Con, and Cha. Not sure if Wis increased, although I wouldn't be surprised. Int increase is highly questionable, as the creature seemed more perceptive / intuitive than tactic / strategic in its actions (after the transformation at the end).
So far we have:
2 forms, one mostly normal, one with various bonuses
- second form has 1d4 tentacles with increased range for slam attacks, trips, etc
- second form likely has natural armor increase, maybe some fast healing
- second form likely has increases to Str, Dex, and maybe Con, Wis, and Cha, probably not Int
- second form might have some form of energy resistance(s), although this might be more D&D flavor than from the movie
- second form seems to have spider climb equivalent ability
Personally, I see this and I think, "Okay, we have a Psuedonatural (Half-?)Fiendish Human," but I admit this is simplifying the situation - esp considering some of the specials of these two templates. I'd probably use these templates as a base, however, drop the spells of the Half template (if I used it rather than the fiendish template), change some of the specials (to spider climb, for instance), and remove the AL. Sil was true neutral (as any (semi-) wild creature happens to be) with strong NE (ie: utterly selfish) leanings.
Recall that she 'grew up' to the age of twelve in only 2-4 years, and then skipped puberty to go straight to early 20-ish woman in perhaps a day or two. Mentally and emotionally (excluding sexuality, which for her was more a matter of instinct than emotions) she was only a few years old. It is said that the 'conscious' that helps determine right or wrong is not fully developed until about the age of 7 - 8. Sil missed most of those years and so was arguably not developed enough (mentally or emotionally) to have a non-neutral alignment. Granted, in D&D once Int is above 2 one typically has an alignment, so for D&D purposes we would have to chose one or the other (NN or NE). Given the movie, we would have to state NE - as she killed several times without need - just because it was expedient.
Anyway, does this help any?
Let's see, in her altered form she could spider climb and had a tentacle attack with notable reach. Hmm, she likely had natural armor and perhaps some form of energy resistance. Maybe some fast healing? I don't recall any regen, however. Perhaps a 'disease' type touch, as the rat that at a bit from that severed thing changed into a rat variant of the template a day or two later. The change from being 'normal' to being templated (ie: able to change back and forth from the templated form) seems to require time in a coccoon as I recall, so throw that in somewhere as well - the descriptive text describing the transformation, perhaps. Like were's some can be natural while some are changed later (from consuming the flesh / blood of a templated one, perhaps, or perhaps a severe form of injury - an open wound splashed with some of the blood of the creature, perhaps - might also affect the change).
From her movements I'm guessing that Dex increased, as well as Str, Con, and Cha. Not sure if Wis increased, although I wouldn't be surprised. Int increase is highly questionable, as the creature seemed more perceptive / intuitive than tactic / strategic in its actions (after the transformation at the end).
So far we have:
2 forms, one mostly normal, one with various bonuses
- second form has 1d4 tentacles with increased range for slam attacks, trips, etc
- second form likely has natural armor increase, maybe some fast healing
- second form likely has increases to Str, Dex, and maybe Con, Wis, and Cha, probably not Int
- second form might have some form of energy resistance(s), although this might be more D&D flavor than from the movie
- second form seems to have spider climb equivalent ability
Personally, I see this and I think, "Okay, we have a Psuedonatural (Half-?)Fiendish Human," but I admit this is simplifying the situation - esp considering some of the specials of these two templates. I'd probably use these templates as a base, however, drop the spells of the Half template (if I used it rather than the fiendish template), change some of the specials (to spider climb, for instance), and remove the AL. Sil was true neutral (as any (semi-) wild creature happens to be) with strong NE (ie: utterly selfish) leanings.
Recall that she 'grew up' to the age of twelve in only 2-4 years, and then skipped puberty to go straight to early 20-ish woman in perhaps a day or two. Mentally and emotionally (excluding sexuality, which for her was more a matter of instinct than emotions) she was only a few years old. It is said that the 'conscious' that helps determine right or wrong is not fully developed until about the age of 7 - 8. Sil missed most of those years and so was arguably not developed enough (mentally or emotionally) to have a non-neutral alignment. Granted, in D&D once Int is above 2 one typically has an alignment, so for D&D purposes we would have to chose one or the other (NN or NE). Given the movie, we would have to state NE - as she killed several times without need - just because it was expedient.
Anyway, does this help any?
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guardianfallenangel
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yep, that does help. any more that anyone wanted to contribute would be great to.
thanks.
thanks.
Storyteller01
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Tradewest had her stat-ed out, but it was for their d6 system. In effect, she was a shapeshifter with 5 or 6 specific forms and some HUGE ability boosts compared to humans. Very few learned social or interpersonal skills, but lots of intuitive and survival based skills.
I'm guessing they had the rights to make the game, so maybe the movie personnel gave them soem inside scoop we didn't get in the film.
I'd probably give her an alignment of neutral. She killed for the same reasons animals do (pushy unacceptible male, getting rid of sexual competition, killing the scientist to protect her self, killing prospective mates to keep where about a secret [defense]). You could also state that while she's neutral, it was probably a built in genetic imparitive (geas?) to kill mates after the fact.
Will you be using info from Species 2 or 3 for this project?
I'm guessing they had the rights to make the game, so maybe the movie personnel gave them soem inside scoop we didn't get in the film.
I'd probably give her an alignment of neutral. She killed for the same reasons animals do (pushy unacceptible male, getting rid of sexual competition, killing the scientist to protect her self, killing prospective mates to keep where about a secret [defense]). You could also state that while she's neutral, it was probably a built in genetic imparitive (geas?) to kill mates after the fact.
Will you be using info from Species 2 or 3 for this project?
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Nyeshet
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Five or Six Forms!?! Where in the world did they get that idea?! In the movie she is human or other or in the process of shifting between the two. The only other examples of Species we saw was the rat-version and a "pure" version - which was sort of like applying the psuedonatural template to an Ooze (blob-like indistinct form with some trailing tentacles, as I recall).
In the second movie we basically see a male form of the Species, and we see what looks like a second type of coccoon towards the end - if I am recalling it correctly. The two were in some type of coccoon as they mated - perhaps a type of temporary 'nest'?
Did the book describe the other forms? Were they intermediate human / other forms, perhaps (what d20 refers to as 'hybrid' forms for lycans)? What was the title of the book? It is unlikely I'll find it, but I am curious as to the set up. You said it was mostly major ability score boosts, high level of physical (Str / Dex) and intuitive / survival (Wis) skills with low level in Int / Cha skills? (Hmm, she would have to have at least some ranks in whatever skill was used for 'Persuasion' I imagine.) What about special abilities? Did they give her 'other' form(s) any 'spider climb' type ability such as she displayed at the end of the movie? What about the 1-4 tentacles with 10-15 ft reach?
In the second movie we basically see a male form of the Species, and we see what looks like a second type of coccoon towards the end - if I am recalling it correctly. The two were in some type of coccoon as they mated - perhaps a type of temporary 'nest'?
Did the book describe the other forms? Were they intermediate human / other forms, perhaps (what d20 refers to as 'hybrid' forms for lycans)? What was the title of the book? It is unlikely I'll find it, but I am curious as to the set up. You said it was mostly major ability score boosts, high level of physical (Str / Dex) and intuitive / survival (Wis) skills with low level in Int / Cha skills? (Hmm, she would have to have at least some ranks in whatever skill was used for 'Persuasion' I imagine.) What about special abilities? Did they give her 'other' form(s) any 'spider climb' type ability such as she displayed at the end of the movie? What about the 1-4 tentacles with 10-15 ft reach?
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Storyteller01
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Supposedly, one is an underwater form that was seen (sort of) as you saw the water ripple.
Don't ask me how, that what they had.
Don't ask me how, that what they had.
As far as I can say, she has 3 main forms:
-little girl, in this shape she has tremendous strength, speed, agility and constitution/toxine resistance, she doesn't seem Evil at all, she possess the ability to create a cocoon to grow faster to the adult age and perhaps already the ability to change into a more "feral" shape (but the cocoon and shapeshift things doesn't look like they are from her own volition);
-grown woman, she looks like she got the same physical bonus and certainly a boost in charisma and/or a charm person spell-like ability that can be used on human male.
Also she seems to have greater survival skills, more medium/long-term thinking capacities and less reluctance to spill blood than before.
She is also able to regenerate fast (remember the thumb trick ?), to sense sickness into another being and of course to change her form into the ET one.
It looks like she can get pregnant with human semen only when in this shape (or perhaps it is all a question of "look" to get the partner in the mood);
-in the last form (the one she use at the end of the movie and that we can see in the water during her dreams) I think she get a strong boost in physical capacities, less intelligence and charisma and more wisdom seing as she acts more like a predator than anything else.
She can climb on walls and ceiling, can stay in water as much as she want, could have some infra/night-vision and has at least 3 tentacles, one is her tongue the other two are...her nipples (I hope there is not another one...).
It seems that she can only give birth in this state too, but the situation being a little hectic at this time in the movie I can't say for sure.
Now we see her take a form that is in-between the woman and the monstruous shapes for a short span of time (while she is drowning the man in the pool/jaccuzi, I don't remember exactly).
Does this means that she have other forms or was it just the beginning of her transformation that occured because she was angry ?
I really don't know.
-little girl, in this shape she has tremendous strength, speed, agility and constitution/toxine resistance, she doesn't seem Evil at all, she possess the ability to create a cocoon to grow faster to the adult age and perhaps already the ability to change into a more "feral" shape (but the cocoon and shapeshift things doesn't look like they are from her own volition);
-grown woman, she looks like she got the same physical bonus and certainly a boost in charisma and/or a charm person spell-like ability that can be used on human male.
Also she seems to have greater survival skills, more medium/long-term thinking capacities and less reluctance to spill blood than before.
She is also able to regenerate fast (remember the thumb trick ?), to sense sickness into another being and of course to change her form into the ET one.
It looks like she can get pregnant with human semen only when in this shape (or perhaps it is all a question of "look" to get the partner in the mood);
-in the last form (the one she use at the end of the movie and that we can see in the water during her dreams) I think she get a strong boost in physical capacities, less intelligence and charisma and more wisdom seing as she acts more like a predator than anything else.
She can climb on walls and ceiling, can stay in water as much as she want, could have some infra/night-vision and has at least 3 tentacles, one is her tongue the other two are...her nipples (I hope there is not another one...).
It seems that she can only give birth in this state too, but the situation being a little hectic at this time in the movie I can't say for sure.
Now we see her take a form that is in-between the woman and the monstruous shapes for a short span of time (while she is drowning the man in the pool/jaccuzi, I don't remember exactly).
Does this means that she have other forms or was it just the beginning of her transformation that occured because she was angry ?
I really don't know.
