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Squared FireBalls?

JahellTheBard

First Post
Along with the concept that diagonal count as the side of a square ( no more 1,5 times), we have to consider that in 4 Ed. Fireball ( and all the like) will expand in a squared space ???

Seems very odd to me :confused: ...
 

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Hella_Tellah

First Post
JahellTheBard said:
Along with the concept that diagonal count as the side of a square ( no more 1,5 times), we have to consider that in 4 Ed. Fireball ( and all the like) will expand in a squared space ???

Seems very odd to me :confused: ...

A fireball will only be square if the areas of spells will be determined the same way movement is, as in 3e. I doubt that will be the case, and I strongly suspect a fireball will remain spherical in shape.
 


jodyjohnson

First Post
Hella_Tellah said:
A fireball will only be square if the areas of spells will be determined the same way movement is, as in 3e. I doubt that will be the case, and I strongly suspect a fireball will remain spherical in shape.

I haven't seen a spherical Fireball since 1999.
 



Derren

Hero
Hella_Tellah said:
A fireball will only be square if the areas of spells will be determined the same way movement is, as in 3e. I doubt that will be the case, and I strongly suspect a fireball will remain spherical in shape.

And that would mean that when standing in the center of a persistent area effect (say web) you can get much faster out of the area of effect when walking diagonally than when walking in a straight line.

Even more silliness....
 

Mortellan

Explorer
Them's the breaks of grid based combat. Other mini games such as WH 40k use circular templates and arent bound by grids. My group has done rather well using the same system for D&D encounters when in open terrain. Works less well in dungeons that tend to be gridded all the time.
 


Spinachcat

First Post
Here's your easy houserule.

If you are in the edge square of an area effect, you take half damage. If it is not a damage effect, but a save effect, then your save gains a +5 bonus.

Badabingbadaboom.

Personally, I am cool with square fireballs. If you are going to accept every other nonsensical thing about grid based games, then throw this one on the pile too.
 

Wiseblood

Adventurer
Doesn't much matter to me. I flipped over my battlemat and wham-o there are hexes. Squares are so four sided. Y'all should upgrade.

UA has the layout for using hexes.
 

HeinorNY

First Post
jodyjohnson said:
I haven't seen a spherical Fireball since 1999.
Behold!


You can't do that in 4E ;)
 

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mach1.9pants

Adventurer
Wormwood said:
At 1ppi, my battlemat is fairly low resolution---the fireballs look waaay too pixelated.
Apply 16xAA (you can force it in the NVidia Control Panel if your battle mat doesn't have the option) and it will make those edges look much smoother
 

I said this in the other thread, and I'll say it again here:

If fireballs are square, so what?

People aren't actually 5-ft. square creatures, but that's what they occupy in the abstraction of the board.

Horses aren't square. Dragons aren't square. Beholders certainly aren't square. Trees aren't square. Boulders aren't square. But all of them are abstracted to squares on the board, be they creatures or objects.

Why, then, should spell effects be any different? That's the nature of a grid-based battlemat--things are abstracted to squares.
 

I'm A Banana

Potassium-Rich
Beholders certainly aren't square.

What about that nerdy one in the glasses with the pocket protector who told us about the problems of illegal drugs and threw out the spiked punch?

Who invited that square, anyway?
 

Stalker0

Legend
ainatan said:
Behold!


You can't do that in 4E ;)

An interesting note is that if you turned that circle into a square it only gains 4 extra squares of coverage. I'm more than willing to accept that for the convenience of easier placement.

Besides with all the nerfs wizards seem to be getting, we can afford them a small buff:)
 

Counterspin

First Post
ainatan - Except that's not actually the shape of a 3e fireball. You just drew a circle on a grid. A 3e fireball effects the entirety of every square it enters, and so the actual area of effect is radically different from your drawing.
 


HeinorNY

First Post
Stalker0 said:
An interesting note is that if you turned that circle into a square it only gains 4 extra squares of coverage. I'm more than willing to accept that for the convenience of easier placement.

Besides with all the nerfs wizards seem to be getting, we can afford them a small buff:)
Actually the firebox gains 20 squares of coverage.
But don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating against fireboxes, I'm perfectly ok with the rules changing on that. It was a pain in the back to adjudicate those spell areas.

Counterspin said:
Except that's not actually the shape of a 3e fireball. You just drew a circle on a grid. A 3e fireball effects the entirety of every square it enters, and so the actual area of effect is radically different from your drawing.
Yes it is.

Fireball
Evocation [Fire]
Level: Sor/Wiz 3
Components: V, S, M
Casting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Long (400 ft. + 40 ft./level)
Area: 20-ft.-radius spread

It just does not affect creatures in those squares it doesn't almost completelly cover, creating the illusion of a "pixelated" circle. But the 3.5 fireball is a circle, no doubt on that.
 
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