Staples refuses to print my PDFs....

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SteveC said:
I would SERIOUSLY recommend that people check out the price of consumables for their printers before buying them...

This is very good, very heartfelt advice that I agree with 100%. It's is very similar to considering the cost of insurance or maintenance when buying a vehicle.

BUT expensive consumables do not make a bad value!

I got one of Dell's first laser printers, a personal B&W, and was actually made for Dell by Lexmark. OMG, I'm only on my second toner cartridge (after the cartridge that came in it) in 4 years and reem after reem of paper and would never consider going back to inkjet or printing service. Just got a color, same result.

All I'm saying is that if you don't like a (printing) service provider, either switch providers or provide for yourself. I have found that providing for myself tends to be the best solution in most cases.

YMMV
 

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darthkilmor said:
Isn't that more of a "You dont have enough of a balance to cover the amount of this check in case it bounces, so we have to wait for it to clear."

Except that nowadays dont checks clear pretty insta-matically? Of course banks would/are? still do the "up to a week to clear" which is really a "thanks for the 3-7 day interest-free loan".

I just wrote a check to start up a new bank account for a largish sum and it was held for 7 days. However, I did earn interest in the account even before the check cleared, so it looks like Chase at least doesn't do that.

joe b.
 

Reading through this thread made me curious so I went to my local Staples with a cd of fan made Warhammer rpg material (all legal to copy/print for personal use) and asked if I could have the .pdfs printed out. The girl asked me what it was, I told her exactly what the .pdfs were and she told me it was no problem and that they print .pdfs of this nature all the time. No "permission slip" was necessary. It was almost too easy. :)
 

Obviously, she didn't get the "screw gamers" memo!

Seriously, though, its just illustrative that the people in the copy centers of these businesses have no universal company policy. At least she made the right call, but I'd bet that if you tried it at 3 other Staples in your area, you'd get stopped at least once.
 


Lease some storefront, fill it with PCs and laser printers, advertise that you'll print any gamer's PDFs and sit back and watch the millions thousands hundreds tens of dollars roll in!

:D

 


Copyright enforcement costs exceed benefits

Dannyalcatraz, you have mentioned the concept of an "optimal" level of crime in society - the level at which the cost of preventing crime exceeds the benefit. My impression is that the cost of the schemes you are proposing or support (from DRM to permission forms to legal education and court evaluations of fair use) exceed the financial gain to publishers and authors. In fact, the cost seems to me to be so high that it would be cheaper and easier to drop enforcement and simply tax instead.

Of course, the benefits of copyright enforcement virtually all acrue to publishers and authors, while the costs are borne by everyone. It simply isn't in their interest to be practical, or to support contentious taxes when they can instead push an ideological claim (which I believe to be dubious) for authorial originality and the right of creators to control their work.

I should say that I don't particularly wish to defend or engage in piracy. My concerns with copyright are moral, and lie chiefly with the threat it poses to speech and derivative works, its imposition of a distinction between author and audience, and, in the case of noncommercial copying in the digital era, the negative social consequences of attempting to enforce the unenforceable.

I want a society awash in culture and creativity in which all take part, and I see that the potential to achieve this is the greatest that it has been for a very long time. Role playing games are one realm in which participation is the rule, where the distinction between author and audience is so clearly artificial. I doubt this is your intent, but I find that the complex and burdensome legal and technological measures you appear to support are anethema to that realm, that culture and that society.
 
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My impression is that the cost of the schemes you are proposing or support <snip> exceed the financial gain to publishers and authors.
Quite possibly- but that's for the market to decide.
My concerns with copyright are moral, and lie chiefly with the threat it poses to speech and derivative works, its imposition of a distinction between author and audience, and, in the case of noncommercial copying in the digital era, the negative social consequences of attempting to enforce the unenforceable.

My concerns lie in the moral as well.

Name another form of property that features full ownership (not leases, licenses, life estates, etc) rights that can be taken away by the mere operation of time, potentially without compensation.

There are very, very few- at this time, only adverse possession springs to mind- and that is not a universally accepted rule of law.

Before copyright, the only rights in IP a person had was what he (or his agents, or his successors in interest) could enforce by himself personally- but if he could do so, he could enforce them ad infinitum.

Under a copyright regime, in exchange for a system of laws through which an IP holder can enforce his rights, he gives up the right to eternal personal exploitation of his creation.

Do you think a landholder would like that kind of setup?

Would you like it if someone could take your Grandmother's wedding ring from you because they liked it and you had had it "long enough?"

I want a society awash in culture and creativity in which all take part, and I see that the potential to achieve this is the greatest that it has been for a very long time.

A great deal of that is due to copyright and other forms of IP protection. Between manditory licensing regimes in music and the operation of the free market allowing the creation of other licenses, the world has experienced an explosion in creative ideas reaching the masses.

Role playing games are one realm in which participation is the rule, where the distinction between author and audience is so clearly artificial. I doubt this is your intent, but I find that the complex and burdensome legal and technological measures you appear to support are anethema to that realm, that culture and that society.

The distinction between author and audience is not artificial, just fluid. Gaming is a form of collaborative fiction. Similar forms, such as shared world fictions like the Thieves' World books, have historically required that authors using the work of others get clearance. In RPGs, one person creates the mass framework, others move and act within it. The GM has a copyright in his campaign world, his players in their PCs.

Nor is it my intent to burden the games. My intent is:

1) to make it difficult for those who abuse the goodwill of game designers to do so, even if they are "fans."

and

2) to provide a quick and universal way for printers to ascertain that the copy they are making is legal so that you could walk into any Staples or Kinko's anywhere and be assured that you won't get wrongfully refused service someplace- not to prevent gamers from getting legal hard copies of PDFs.
 

Dannyalcatraz said:
My concerns lie in the moral as well.

Name another form of property that features full ownership (not leases, licenses, life estates, etc) rights that can be taken away by the mere operation of time, potentially without compensation.

Patents.

And there is plenty of compensation. Basically the Govt is saying "You can have exclusive rights for X years, then its free for all." That copyright protection for X years is the compensation. If you fail to do anything with it then, tough cookie. Personally I think copyright lasts way way way too long anyway, but we have the mouse to thank for that.
 

Dannyalcatraz said:
Name another form of property that features full ownership (not leases, licenses, life estates, etc) rights that can be taken away by the mere operation of time, potentially without compensation.

The difference here is that IP is an idea not a physical thing. A physical thing can be controled or owned. An idea has no such tangible way of possesion. The government can use its power to try and regulate how those ideas spread but there is no real property that can be returned to its owner, all it can do is punish people for spreading ideas without government permission.
 

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