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Mallus

Hero
I does leave the big hole of "what about other ways of space travel?"
That's not a hole, though. Interstellar travel still exists. Book has a starship, and he mentions at least two alternate FTL propulsion methods in the episode. The Burn sounds like a political crisis that occurred in the wake of an enormous widespread natural disaster which caused the collapse of the civilizations that relied on dilithium-based warp drives.

Or, imagine what would happen if every internal combustion engine on Earth exploded tomorrow. It wouldn't put a permanent end to travel. We'd learn to cope eventually (some places better than others). But pretty much every government & economy would fall apart.
 

Blackrat

He Who Lurks Beyond The Veil
Ok, first off, I rewatched seasons 1 and 2 in preparation for this and one thing I realised: Damn, the klingons growing hair between the seasons totally changed the feel of their character. I really didn’t like the reimagined klingons of season 1, eventhough I could see where they came from with the design, but then just add hair and I love the new look.

Another thing that springs to mind, both seasons were pretty much taking a major concept of single ST episodes and turning them into whole seasons. So, Season 1 was pretty much Mirror Universe Season, even if we realise it only at after the halfway point. And Season 2 is pretty much Time Travel / Section 31 Season. So, that makes me anticipate that Season 3 will have a similar theme that becomes clear at episode 6 or 7... I’m betting on Q at this point... I’m betting on the cat being a Q 😂 Yeah, if that happens you can call me a prophet...

I really liked the start of the season. The starfleet clerk made no sense the way he was portrayed, but maybe he has more to his life than was shown. If not, then he’s just seriously creepy...
 
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Mallus

Hero
And now, for a confession: I had tears in my eyes when they unfurled the sadly-diminished Federation banner. Sahil was great: a dignified, solitary civil servant dutifully manning his space office late in the Federation’s long twilight (or night). A celebration of TNG's heroic board room meetings that made technocratic professionalism an important part of boldly going.
 
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Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
That guy lives alone in a space office and gets up every morning and sits at a desk and waits all day in an empty room at a desk for a comissioned officer from a long-dead civilization to show up, and then goes to bed, and then does the same thing the next day, every day, until suddenly Michael Burnham appears and goes "oh, I'm a Starfleet officer and now you are too!"

I feel like I missed something.

You missed the fact that you have a tendency to be selectively literal, I think. :)
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
One thing I meant to mention: Is anyone else concerned about that little snippet in the opening titles of hundreds of Starfleet droids being produced? That's one way to make up for lack of numbers, I guess - but I wonder how smart they are, and how that follows on from the whole artificial-life controversy in Picard.

It seems to me that the artificial life issues in Picard are not clearly separate from Discovery's conflict with Control.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Well, going by this episode it sure is Star Trek crossing over to copy Star Wars, and specifically copy The Maldlorian.

Hardly. As noted by someone else, this is really taken from Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda from 20 years ago - a ship of the Federation/Commonwealth is lost in time, and comes back to find the culture fallen, and sets about trying to re-establish what was lost. Roddenberry used similar themes in two other TV pilots in the early 1970s, before Star Wars ever happened.

So, no, not copying the Mandalorian.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
What did you think was implied in repeatedly calling her a "true believer"?

She's supposed to be smart. If I got thrown forward 900 years I wouldn't expect my country to exist let alone my government.
How many countries existed 900 years ago? Hungary, France, Morocco, China, England? There's probably a few more I'm forgetting.

Might have to rewatch like some others as might have missed or not paid attention to certain lines of dialogue.

Obviously she'll met up with the rest of the crew and rebuild the Federation I suppose.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
Hardly. As noted by someone else, this is really taken from Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda from 20 years ago - a ship of the Federation/Commonwealth is lost in time, and comes back to find the culture fallen, and sets about trying to re-establish what was lost. Roddenberry used similar themes in two other TV pilots in the early 1970s, before Star Wars ever happened.

So, no, not copying the Mandalorian.

Doesn't seem very Mandalorian to me either except maybe very superficially.

Andromeda hold up these days? It's on Amazon and need something to binge watch.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
In any case I guess we will find out in time. I wonder how this season will pan out. If it does really well does this become the new baseline era for Star Trek? Or does everything else continue to focus around more known eras where the Federation is still fully intact?

The current plans as we know:
Discovery, Season 3
Picard, Season 2
Lower Decks, Season 2
Strange New Worlds
Section 31 (though, thinking of it, this could be a far-future Section 31...)
Star Trek: Prodigy (?) is another animated series for Nickelodeon, with confirmed Kate Mulgrew providing voice for Janeway, which fits it somewhere between Voyager and Picard. A bunch of kids steal a derelict Federation starship...

There is one other live-action series in the plans, but they have not revealed what it might be. Rumors suggest it may be centered on Star Fleet Academy. That'd probably be between Next Gen and Picard, imho.

There has been rumored talk of other material with Janeway and Sisko (not necessarily together), but nothing confirmed. This may be cameos on Picard (pretty likely, I think), or who knows - Star Trek: Captains?

So, most of the near-term plans don't seem to have Trek focusing on that far future.

I have half a guess that Discovery spends this season figuring out what causes The Burn, and then, as the only time-travel capable vessel around, they take off to keep it from happening. Discovery winds up hopping era to era each season...
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Andromeda hold up these days? It's on Amazon and need something to binge watch.

IMHO, Andromeda fell apart mid-season 2. Depending on who you listen to..

1) Kevin Sorbo (lead actor, and also an exec producer) has said that it was because Robert Hewitt Wolfe's scripts were "too intelligent", and it was decided that the show would be more accessible if they were basically episodic action.

2) Kevin Sorbo decided the show needed to be more... The Kevin Sorbo show, focusing on his character, dropping the already established internal conflicts of the characters, so they could all support his central character.

Either way, they gave the Head Writer the boot, and they ran out of the scripts he had produced in the middle of season 2... and it is really notable. What started as a pretty intelligent and interesting show with some decent arc plot for the day became... Hercules in Space.
 

Zardnaar

Legend
IMHO, Andromeda fell apart mid-season 2. Depending on who you listen to..

1) Kevin Sorbo (lead actor, and also an exec producer) has said that it was because Robert Hewitt Wolfe's scripts were "too intelligent", and it was decided that the show would be more accessible if they were basically episodic action.

2) Kevin Sorbo decided the show needed to be more... The Kevin Sorbo show, focusing on his character, dropping the already established internal conflicts of the characters, so they could all support his central character.

Either way, they gave the Head Writer the boot, and they ran out of the scripts he had produced in the middle of season 2... and it is really notable. What started as a pretty intelligent and interesting show with some decent arc plot for the day became... Hercules in Space.

Think I'll pass then. Still not over his spot in Jim Beam ad.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Think I'll pass then. Still not over his spot in Jim Beam ad.
There's lots of reasons to not like Sorbo at this point. Several of them probably fit under "politics", and don't bear discussion here.

... And this thread is about Discovery, not about Sorbo...
 

Zardnaar

Legend
There's lots of reasons to not like Sorbo at this point. Several of them probably fit under "politics", and don't bear discussion here.

No idea I never found Sorbo compelling or interesting as an actor. Kinda forgot he existed being honest.

Was just digging through Amazon and Netflix looking for something to watch and saw his mug on the Andromeda thumbnail.
I tried Lexx last year. Mistake.
 


Zardnaar

Legend
Heh. Lexx... at least made no claims to be other than what it was.

Bi didn't know anything about it except it involved spaceships. I vaguely remembered it from 1999 never watched it.

I'll give most sci fi a shot but it's very hit and miss kinda like Trek I suppose.

Lexx is something else. Is there a story in there somewhere? I think there is.

But yeah it doesn't pretend to be anything it isn't.
 

She's supposed to be smart. If I got thrown forward 900 years I wouldn't expect my country to exist let alone my government.
How many countries existed 900 years ago? Hungary, France, Morocco, China, England? There's probably a few more I'm forgetting.

Might have to rewatch like some others as might have missed or not paid attention to certain lines of dialogue.

Obviously she'll met up with the rest of the crew and rebuild the Federation I suppose.

On the one hand, I laughed out loud and said to my wife, "What, she expected the Federation to still be around after all that time? Good luck with that!" during that scene.

On the other hand, your comment reminds me that it's always something that ruins them - one of the reasons you can't name other countries that lasted that long is because people went around the planet over the last 500 years, crushing existing civilizations and creating empires.

At least it was a disaster that took out the Federation and not a war. (Maybe.)

Honestly, if I was her, I'd be hoping that something better than the Federation existed by then. Not the Federation itself.

As an aside, I thought her comment on the personal transporter must have sounded like if someone said to one of us, "Hey, your carriages don't have horses!"
 

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