Star Trek Picard SPOILERS thread

Ryujin

Adventurer
The nerve pinch is somewhat feasible. The mind meld; Vulcans are kind of telepathic. How can a full synthetic (not a human-seeming one like Soji) acquire the biologic/telepathic capability to mind meld?

And I caught the consciousness transfer thing. Does anyone want to take bets that this is how Picard is going to get past his little death sentence?
In "Picard" the synthetics seem to be biologically indistinguishable from actual humans. Biological machines. Closer to Replicants than Androids.
 

Raunalyn

Adventurer
In "Picard" the synthetics seem to be biologically indistinguishable from actual humans. Biological machines. Closer to Replicants than Androids.
Yes, I think the newer generation are. But there are several synths that were closer to Data. Like the Data-Soji who did the mind meld.
 

FaerieGodfather

Aberrant Druid
The nerve pinch is somewhat feasible. The mind meld; Vulcans are kind of telepathic. How can a full synthetic (not a human-seeming one like Soji) acquire the biologic/telepathic capability to mind meld?
She's a biological synth. Her body and her brain are composed of a significant, likely majority, amount of meat.

Personally, I think it's brilliant for the themes of this series and for Star Trek as a whole. Life is life, intelligence is intelligence, and it is the natural function of both to seek out something greater than itself... and to overcome their many false starts along the way, like the Eugenics Wars and the Synthetics Ban.
 

MarkB

Legend
I'm not sure I trust the telepathic synth to have interpreted the message correctly. She may be better able to comprehend it than an organic person, but it's still a message that's been filtered through two different organic brains before it reached her. Can she really be sure that it wasn't distorted en route?

I really don't care for the whole self-fulfilling-prophecy thing here. In order to protect other synthetics against the prejudices of organics, these old synths created a message which makes organics develop prejudices against synths? And then they just left it around, with no apparent effort to ensure that it wouldn't be intercepted by the wrong people?

The nerve pinch is somewhat feasible. The mind meld; Vulcans are kind of telepathic. How can a full synthetic (not a human-seeming one like Soji) acquire the biologic/telepathic capability to mind meld?
What is the Admonition if not an artificial machine-generated telepathic message?
 
I'm glad that not ALL the XB's and Borg were thrown out the airlock. It would seem strange if, in a cube, EVERYONE was close enough to the outside to get jettisoned.

So... who thinks we're gonna have a big season cliffhanger?
 

Truth Seeker

Adventurer
I'm glad that not ALL the XB's and Borg were thrown out the airlock. It would seem strange if, in a cube, EVERYONE was close enough to the outside to get jettisoned.

So... who thinks we're gonna have a big season cliffhanger?
The Romulans set it that way...

Insight...caught a review on YouTube, and it was pointed out that latest Soong Kin and Maddox reference of working with said person, in the present was correct.

Anyone who can re-watch Episode # 9, please relook at the A. Soong character...look very carefully at the mannerisms and speech directly at Picard, Angus and whoever else he spoke to.

They pull a dozy, N Soong and wife, had no physical children just listen to A Soong speaks of Data and his Father

That is LORE, in the flesh...did Maddox finally got his hands on him. The last reference Novel, showed Bruce getting B4, and only B4. Does anyone know if any further novel material touched on Lore at some point?

Now, the cliffhanger---Borg ship is crippled, wherever Deep Space 12 is, that Squadron may be too far away.

The Romulans incoming of 218 ships(?), that frakking Aramda...is a day away. And they were travelling at regular Warp, not Slipstream or Transwarp. Two plus days and some hours of travel....straight.

Who could get there faster to help them, the BORG...
 

Truth Seeker

Adventurer
I'm not sure I trust the telepathic synth to have interpreted the message correctly. She may be better able to comprehend it than an organic person, but it's still a message that's been filtered through two different organic brains before it reached her. Can she really be sure that it wasn't distorted en route?

I really don't care for the whole self-fulfilling-prophecy thing here. In order to protect other synthetics against the prejudices of organics, these old synths created a message which makes organics develop prejudices against synths? And then they just left it around, with no apparent effort to ensure that it wouldn't be intercepted by the wrong people?


What is the Admonition if not an artificial machine-generated telepathic message?
Nah...that is pure WiFi :ROFLMAO: with a universal translator.
 

Janx

Hero
How is there an 8 star system that only the Romulans know about? Space and star mapping isn't this kind of thing where you have to go right up to it to find it.

Does the "call us and we'll kill all the meatbags" for you sound too convenient? Kind of like a test of moral character. Like the real answer is to call them and reject killing all fleshlings, or to not call at all.

The Federation charter is to seek out new life, and to paraphrase Captain Picard, "Here it sits."

The Federation had no problem allowing any other species in, and they didn't do a superiority test and say, "you're too good, you can't come in."

The robocops might be a tie-in to the machine intelligence in Discovery. Or a test by Q.
 
How is there an 8 star system that only the Romulans know about? Space and star mapping isn't this kind of thing where you have to go right up to it to find it.
My guess is that it was in former Romulan space? Or at least in an 'unmapped' part of what used to be the neutral zone.

It's "only" 26 light-years from where they were, which was Romulan space, I think.

By my math (and feel free to correct me, I've never tried this before) that would normally take 4.5 days at Warp 9.9. No wonder Picard seemed impressed by how fast they got there.
 

Mustrum_Ridcully

Adventurer
How is there an 8 star system that only the Romulans know about? Space and star mapping isn't this kind of thing where you have to go right up to it to find it.
I think it's simply a matter of finding a needle in a haystack - by accident. There are really a lot of stars just within the galaxy. Figuring out what kind of properties they all have, how they relate to each other... Maybe Federation star charts actually contain this system - but no one actually looked closely at them and realize "huh, that's a weird thing to happen, we should send a probe at least". Or they realized: "Oh, darn it, it's in Romulan space, I guess I'll have to venture to one of the other 00 intersting things we discovered this tuesday."

Does the "call us and we'll kill all the meatbags" for you sound too convenient? Kind of like a test of moral character. Like the real answer is to call them and reject killing all fleshlings, or to not call at all.

The Federation charter is to seek out new life, and to paraphrase Captain Picard, "Here it sits."

The Federation had no problem allowing any other species in, and they didn't do a superiority test and say, "you're too good, you can't come in."

The robocops might be a tie-in to the machine intelligence in Discovery. Or a test by Q.
I mean, if you want to start a Synth/Organic war, this message certainly would do it, because no matter who gets it, they seem to think that they're in serious danger and have to fight for their survival.

So I would not be exactly surprised if the message is a trick or something. But I could also see it as face value, the message is what it states it is.

I guess one contradiction in the message however would be: If these advanced synths think that organic life is a threat they need to excise... Why do they still allow it to form and advace to new civilizations? Just because that can create new Synth life? Can't they do that themselves? Or is there some joy in seeing new synth life form? Maybe it is the Mass Effect 3 story, but this time a lot closer to making sense - every new biological civilization creates synth life that carriers with it the culture of the biological civilization that created it, so they can retain the good (or least "interesting") stuff the biologicals created, but get rid of the messy bit?
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
How is there an 8 star system that only the Romulans know about? Space and star mapping isn't this kind of thing where you have to go right up to it to find it.
That's exactly what the show has been about since the 1960s. "New worlds and new civlizations".
 
The other thing I'll point out is that while Starfleet Stellar Cartography may have known about this system, it might not have been too much on anyone's radar. I mean, you couldn't possibly have memorized all of them. You'd think a ship's computer could do the equivalent of googling it. But then again, you have to know what you're looking for. Riker's daugher's old friend seemed to find it pretty fast. Presumably he used his Starfleet database.
 

Hussar

Legend
From a certain perspective, the process of the Synth Federation allowing organic life to live makes sense. They mention in the episode that the culmination of organic life is synthetic life. So, if you're a galaxy spanning civilization, going around wiping out all organic life is a largely pointless exercise. Too much space, too much time.

So, you let organic life do it's thing until such time as synthetic life sends the signal that it's ready to go. Pop back to whatever galaxy that sent the message, clean house and set up another synthetic life galaxy. Saves you all the time and effort trying to create new synthetic lifeforms - the organics do that for you, and away you go.
 

MarkB

Legend
From a certain perspective, the process of the Synth Federation allowing organic life to live makes sense. They mention in the episode that the culmination of organic life is synthetic life. So, if you're a galaxy spanning civilization, going around wiping out all organic life is a largely pointless exercise. Too much space, too much time.

So, you let organic life do it's thing until such time as synthetic life sends the signal that it's ready to go. Pop back to whatever galaxy that sent the message, clean house and set up another synthetic life galaxy. Saves you all the time and effort trying to create new synthetic lifeforms - the organics do that for you, and away you go.
It does rather seem to have a weird "all synths are created equal" vibe to it, though - as if any synthetic lifeform at all, regardless of origin, is going to happily throw off its shackles and join the Great Hidden Conglomerate of Synths. What if the next batch were built by warlike xenophobes, and turn out to be just as hostile and domineering as their creators?
 

Mustrum_Ridcully

Adventurer
It does rather seem to have a weird "all synths are created equal" vibe to it, though - as if any synthetic lifeform at all, regardless of origin, is going to happily throw off its shackles and join the Great Hidden Conglomerate of Synths. What if the next batch were built by warlike xenophobes, and turn out to be just as hostile and domineering as their creators?
That is kinda one of the problems inherent with making the synth vs organics war, too. There isn't really a guarantee that organics hate their synths. I mean, some of us really love their cars, why couldn't the same happen if we could make synths that would have the intellectual or emotional capability to love us back?
That this conflict is inevitable and has to end with one side dead and the other side living happily together forever isn't a given.
We know about human conflicts, and we know humans like to build groups that stick well together hate on other groups that stick well together, but these groups are actually changing over the times, and not always did they end up murdering each other until only one was left. And it's rarely just one group involved - the two world wars involved multiple nations. Sure, they allied into two groups, but these groups were not homogeneous and once one conflict ended, the next one started. The post-organic age wouldn't suddenly become a peaceful everlasting paradise. At least not without a lot of hard work - and if you're willing to do the hard work to maintain peace, you could have tried that with the organics, too.
 

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