Spoilers Star Wars: The Acolyte [Spoilers]

[Ruin Explorer]

It would have cost them nothing to send a task force with Hera. If it would have cost them something, then they could have said there was unrest in another sector etc. They already had enough evidence to be concerned.

Yeah that was a prime example of a writer defeating himself. I like a lot of Filoni's work, and he simply doesn't make outright mistakes like that in the animated shows, but here, they not only do they refuse to send a task force to what is, frankly, a highly credible threat at least worth investigating (they could have sent scout ships and so on, at least), but when they turn out to be idiots, and a whole bunch of ships presumably record this bizarre, gigantic hyper-ring attacking them and then jumping out at impossible speed, and we're supposed to believe that even after this, the well-respected general and war hero and all the sensor data and other pilots (including long-serving veterans) would just be treated as liars without so much as a thought.

It just wasn't plausible. It didn't work as a plotline. The particular scenes where Hera was denied just seemed implausible. Like at least play up that secret Imperials are influencing the council or something. If after WW2, someone found a bunch of secret Nazis in a place building gigantic diesel engines or nuclear reactors or something, there'd be significant alarm. Instead, everyone is like completely passive about this whole nest of secret Imperials.

As you say - it wouldn't even have been hard to make the scenes plausible - the secret Imperials are more than capable of creating a distraction and maybe making the Republic think they need to be elsewhere - but that wasn't the case! And even then, not sending scouts when a well-respected general wants to send scouts is just implausible - it wouldn't have been something you'd even be talking to a public committee to about - Hera would either have been able to order it herself, or would have had friendly officers in the military who would do it.

Plus like, her taking her kid with her just seemed really off in live-action in a way it wouldn't have in a cartoon, even though I liked the scenes that lead to. Like that would be more plausible if the plotline was that Hera didn't really believe it.

I could go on. And I hate nicking SW stuff in this way, but Ahsoka was just full of weird bits of bad writing where Filoni seemed to have created dumb situations entirely by himself, where like, he could just have not written it that way. He knows what to do with the characters, but it feels like he just cannot handle the actual writing and direction at all.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

That said, after watching the 4th episode I watched 'A New Hope' again. The Acolyte then pales in comparion.

If it didn't that would be incredible lol. The only SW thing that's even arguably better than or comparable to ANH is Andor.

 

[rgard]

If it didn't that would be incredible lol. The only SW thing that's even arguably better than or comparable to ANH is Andor.

The Empire Strikes Back?

 

[Morrus]

The review bombing is a bit disgusting, but sadly not at all surprising.

Aggregated reviews are over.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Aggregated reviews are over.

I'd like to think that's true but I worry they'll just be replaced by AI-generated reviews that are essentially aggregated reviews, just like Amazon does for their product reviews. It'd be great if people got back to reading actual reviews though.

 

[Morrus]

I'd like to think that's true but I worry they'll just be replaced by AI-generated reviews that are essentially aggregated reviews, just like Amazon does for their product reviews. It'd be great if people got back to reading actual reviews though.

I think they do. Maybe not so much, but Empire Magazine, Mark Kermode, and the like all seem to be going strong.

 

[MarkB]

Yeah that was a prime example of a writer defeating himself. I like a lot of Filoni's work, and he simply doesn't make outright mistakes like that in the animated shows, but here, they not only do they refuse to send a task force to what is, frankly, a highly credible threat at least worth investigating (they could have sent scout ships and so on, at least), but when they turn out to be idiots, and a whole bunch of ships presumably record this bizarre, gigantic hyper-ring attacking them and then jumping out at impossible speed, and we're supposed to believe that even after this, the well-respected general and war hero and all the sensor data and other pilots (including long-serving veterans) would just be treated as liars without so much as a thought.

It just wasn't plausible. It didn't work as a plotline. The particular scenes where Hera was denied just seemed implausible. Like at least play up that secret Imperials are influencing the council or something. If after WW2, someone found a bunch of secret Nazis in a place building gigantic diesel engines or nuclear reactors or something, there'd be significant alarm. Instead, everyone is like completely passive about this whole nest of secret Imperials.

As you say - it wouldn't even have been hard to make the scenes plausible - the secret Imperials are more than capable of creating a distraction and maybe making the Republic think they need to be elsewhere - but that wasn't the case! And even then, not sending scouts when a well-respected general wants to send scouts is just implausible - it wouldn't have been something you'd even be talking to a public committee to about - Hera would either have been able to order it herself, or would have had friendly officers in the military who would do it.

Plus like, her taking her kid with her just seemed really off in live-action in a way it wouldn't have in a cartoon, even though I liked the scenes that lead to. Like that would be more plausible if the plotline was that Hera didn't really believe it.

I could go on. And I hate nicking SW stuff in this way, but Ahsoka was just full of weird bits of bad writing where Filoni seemed to have created dumb situations entirely by himself, where like, he could just have not written it that way. He knows what to do with the characters, but it feels like he just cannot handle the actual writing and direction at all.

They're just desperately trying, between this and The Mandalorian, to manifest the incompetent New Republic that will ignore the rising threat of the First Order to the extent that Leia is forced to create an independent paramilitary organisation to oppose it. Unfortunately, that goal does them no favours narratively.

Similarly to how The Acolyte needs to portray a Jedi order that's becoming increasingly political and inflexible, to eventually become the one that exists in the prequel trilogy.

 

[Zaukrie]

They're just desperately trying, between this and The Mandalorian, to manifest the incompetent New Republic that will ignore the rising threat of the First Order to the extent that Leia is forced to create an independent paramilitary organisation to oppose it. Unfortunately, that goal does them no favours narratively.

Similarly to how The Acolyte needs to portray a Jedi order that's becoming increasingly political and inflexible, to eventually become the one that exists in the prequel trilogy.

Maybe tell stories that aren't locked into place, so they can tell better stories (though, frankly, Andor was great, so that's not the only issue). There is literally an entire galaxy of force users and thousands of years of history (or, heaven forbid, future) stories that aren't tied to the stories we know....

 

[Zaukrie]

Maybe tell stories that aren't locked into place, so they can tell better stories (though, frankly, Andor was great, so that's not the only issue). There is literally an entire galaxy of force users and thousands of years of history (or, heaven forbid, future) stories that aren't tied to the stories we know....

to quote myself (sorry), this is one of the issues with nostalgia right here.

 

[Zardnaar]

Yeah that was a prime example of a writer defeating himself. I like a lot of Filoni's work, and he simply doesn't make outright mistakes like that in the animated shows, but here, they not only do they refuse to send a task force to what is, frankly, a highly credible threat at least worth investigating (they could have sent scout ships and so on, at least), but when they turn out to be idiots, and a whole bunch of ships presumably record this bizarre, gigantic hyper-ring attacking them and then jumping out at impossible speed, and we're supposed to believe that even after this, the well-respected general and war hero and all the sensor data and other pilots (including long-serving veterans) would just be treated as liars without so much as a thought.

It just wasn't plausible. It didn't work as a plotline. The particular scenes where Hera was denied just seemed implausible. Like at least play up that secret Imperials are influencing the council or something. If after WW2, someone found a bunch of secret Nazis in a place building gigantic diesel engines or nuclear reactors or something, there'd be significant alarm. Instead, everyone is like completely passive about this whole nest of secret Imperials.

As you say - it wouldn't even have been hard to make the scenes plausible - the secret Imperials are more than capable of creating a distraction and maybe making the Republic think they need to be elsewhere - but that wasn't the case! And even then, not sending scouts when a well-respected general wants to send scouts is just implausible - it wouldn't have been something you'd even be talking to a public committee to about - Hera would either have been able to order it herself, or would have had friendly officers in the military who would do it.

Plus like, her taking her kid with her just seemed really off in live-action in a way it wouldn't have in a cartoon, even though I liked the scenes that lead to. Like that would be more plausible if the plotline was that Hera didn't really believe it.

I could go on. And I hate nicking SW stuff in this way, but Ahsoka was just full of weird bits of bad writing where Filoni seemed to have created dumb situations entirely by himself, where like, he could just have not written it that way. He knows what to do with the characters, but it feels like he just cannot handle the actual writing and direction at all.

That's more a Disney problem. They struggle to write intelligent characters.

So they make them stupid instead. Not just the Republic but Hux, Jedi, Thrawn etc.