Spoilers Star Wars: The Acolyte [Spoilers]

[Zaukrie]

Well, as I said, I want to see some Jedi who are actually smart, competent, etc. We got glimpses of that in things like the Clone Wars show.

For Rey's show, I sure hope they don't draw on the old EU version of the NJO and give us crap like the Vong.

I'd be good with smart, competent Jedi, if it's a new story.

 

[Zaukrie]

I think Star Wars fans who desperately want to see anything but Jedi are something of a minority in the fan base.

100 percent true. Perhaps they should look beyond their fanbase

 

[Maxperson]

I do wonder where Qimir comes into all of this - whether he was there somewhere behind the scenes, using his abilities to drive and amplify those obsessive behaviours, or if he just came along later and recruited Mae.

I think the connection is between him and the instigator witch who got away.

 

[damiller]

The story was about the Jedi being stupid, again.

You call them acting stupid.

I call them being flawed. Because that is what I see. People making suboptimal choices because of things we dont' know about their past.

There is a good example, I think, in this series alone.

When we first see the Jedi entrance scene to the Coven. Indara seems very arrogant (to me). She is stiff with the witches and seems to be polite because she knows she has the upper hand. THEN we see in EP 7 she was probably pissed at her team for insisting to go in at all. She clearly did not want to.

I also love the fact that they are basically the Federation of Star Wars in this Era. They are collecting data on planets and what not. It kinda explains that scene to me from the Prequels in the Jedi Archives "If its not in the Archives, then it doesn't exist." Now I know why, the Star Wars Away Team was cataloguing the local flora and fauna!!!!

 

[Maxperson]

Why do Jedi try to hold up heavy stuff, and not just force push/pull the girls away from the gap to the safe zones on the outside of the bridge? My wife and I always wonder this.....also, why did the girls not run to get off the bridges?

The Jedi thing is correct. He really should have just lifted them both. As to why they didn't run, they were very young, twins and in a panicked separation from each other. That I could see happening.

 

[Maxperson]

Pulling and catching them both would have required concentrating on two things at the same time. Well beyond Sol's ability. As I mentioned earlier, a consequence of having thousands of jedi is needing a lower bar for recruitment. Sol is simply less powerful than the badass jedi we are used to seeing.

Sol was holding up two separated halves of the falling bridge, so we know he could concentrate on two things at the same time. And he did it for long enough that had he just grabbed the kids, they would have made it to him.

 

[Maxperson]

There are also things like Qimir's backstory, which is unlikely to fit into the last episode. It's possible they will be addressed in tie-in media rather than on TV though. Too much backstory kills plot momentum.

Now, there is also the exact nature of the witches. We had one comment with respect to that: "Nightsisters?", left as a hanging question. The vanishing in a puff of smoke trick (illusion?) is something Nightsisters have been depicted doing (The Clone Wars, Fallen Order). They also like a bit of archery. However, Ahsoka revealed the Nightsisters did not originate in this galaxy, and did not originate on Dathomir. The next new Star Wars show is Skeleton Crew, which is advertised as revolving around a ship lost in another galaxy. I would hypothesise that is the same galaxy Ahsoka is stranded in, and the one the Nightsisters came from. Therefore we might learn more about witches in that story.

What do you think the odds are that Ahsoka shows up in that series? She needs a ship to get home.

 

[Maxperson]

Just to be clear, though, the witches are not locals. The place was lifeless a century prior, and the witches came there after being banished from somewhere else.

Also, I 100% don't think his killing of Aniseya was deliberate. He thought that she really had discorporated and was no longer standing there, and was igniting his saber to defend against an attack.

No. It was 100% deliberate. She was turning into smoke and then smoke started appearing around Osha. He ignites his saber away from her with a look of determination and thrusts it into where she is disappearing from.

 

[Zaukrie]

You call them acting stupid.

I call them being flawed. Because that is what I see. People making suboptimal choices because of things we dont' know about their past.

There is a good example, I think, in this series alone.

When we first see the Jedi entrance scene to the Coven. Indara seems very arrogant (to me). She is stiff with the witches and seems to be polite because she knows she has the upper hand. THEN we see in EP 7 she was probably pissed at her team for insisting to go in at all. She clearly did not want to.

I also love the fact that they are basically the Federation of Star Wars in this Era. They are collecting data on planets and what not. It kinda explains that scene to me from the Prequels in the Jedi Archives "If its not in the Archives, then it doesn't exist." Now I know why, the Star Wars Away Team was cataloguing the local flora and fauna!!!!

When was the last time the Jedi order was portrayed as competent and good at their job, in live action shows?

 

[damiller]

When was the last time the Jedi order was portrayed as competent and good at their job, in live action shows?

I am not concerned with the other live action shows. I am talking about the acolyte, in an acolyte thread.

Alternatively, I think the point about the Jedi from the beginning is that they were stupid, short sighted, and thought they were the ones to bring balance to the Force*. It is the Hubris of the Jedi, as Luke says in the Sequels. I am not interested in stories of the perfect heroes. Those, for me, are unrelatable.

* I am interested in clowns, and clowning. Unlike in America, clowning is seen as an important thing, and in some cultures sacred. The thing is clowns ARE STUPID. They are supposed to be stupid. They are there to help us all relate to the fact that we all make mistakes, act against our own best interests, and act in ways that are decidedly suboptimal.

In short, the Jedi are clowns, in the most mythological and sacred sense. I like the Jedi just the way they are, the fools of the universe.