Fast Learner
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I enjoyed it. Didn't love it, but like it more than most of this summer's movies.
Stardust (Spoilers)
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sniffles
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Whatever gave you that idea? It isn't targeted at any specific audience and I think Gaiman would be disappointed to hear that anyone thought so.joshhg said:
I've read it several times, and while I am female I'm a long, long way from being a teenager. It's quite mature and I would think equally appealing to males and females. It has the same qualities that make his other books worth reading.
I think you're thinking of childrens' books, not fairy tales. Ever read any unabridged Grimm's tales?steeldraco said:
It wasn't simple, either. I found it quite complex in the ideas and emotions it presents.
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I enjoyed it - it was fun. I've not read the book.
Remus Lupin
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My wife and I saw it today and LOVED it. My wife thinks it's the best movie we've seen this summer, including Harry Potter, and I'm inclined to agree.
It's a shame that it seems to be missing its target audience. It's definitely worth a viewing. Then again, I don't think that "Princess Bride" did great in the box office either, and it's widely regarded as a classic.
I'll be buying this one on DVD as well.
It's a shame that it seems to be missing its target audience. It's definitely worth a viewing. Then again, I don't think that "Princess Bride" did great in the box office either, and it's widely regarded as a classic.
I'll be buying this one on DVD as well.
Jaws
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"So how does Stardust compare to Princess Bride? You'll recall that Stardust made $9 million on 2,540 screens, or $3,548 a screen, last weekend. But when Princess Bride opened wide in October 1987, after two weeks in limited release, it made $4.48 million at just 622 screens, or $7,202 a screen, outperforming all its competition in the process. Again, remember that ticket prices were significantly lower in 1987, so Princess Bride was drawing huge crowds for that Columbus Day weekend—and since it had only cost about $16 million to make, the producers quickly recovered more than one-quarter of their budget. (Over the next ten weeks, the film would go on to gross $30.9 million.) And those were 1987 dollars; adjust for inflation, and the opening weekend comes in at just under $8 million... with roughly one-quarter the number of screenings of Stardust. Then factor in the fact that it only experienced a 19% dropoff the following weekend; anybody here think Stardust is going to have that kind of staying power?"Remus Lupin said:
http://www.mediabistro.com/galleycat/
Scroll down to Have Fun Storming the Castle!
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Remus Lupin
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Well, we'll see. I still think that, quality-wise, it's well within Princess Bride territory.
Then there's this from the link you posted:
Well, to each their own, but this movie was, for my money, very compelling, well characterized, and very witty. But hey, to each his own. I'd still recommend seeing it.
Then there's this from the link you posted:
Well, to each their own, but this movie was, for my money, very compelling, well characterized, and very witty. But hey, to each his own. I'd still recommend seeing it.
Arnwyn
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A fantastic movie. Both the wife and I thoroughly enjoyed it - probably one of the better movies this year by a long shot for us.
Sky pirates, witches, magic, swordfights, ghosts, and humor - I couldn't have asked for much more. Sure, there were hokey moments, and a couple of weird character decisions made to increase the dramatic impact at the time, but I'm okay with that in a fairy tale - and that's what this was. Even the ending was perfect in a fairy tale fashion.
It could be described as a "chick flick", but it's no more of one than The Princess Bride.
Excellent movie - more like this need to be made.
Sky pirates, witches, magic, swordfights, ghosts, and humor - I couldn't have asked for much more. Sure, there were hokey moments, and a couple of weird character decisions made to increase the dramatic impact at the time, but I'm okay with that in a fairy tale - and that's what this was. Even the ending was perfect in a fairy tale fashion.
It could be described as a "chick flick", but it's no more of one than The Princess Bride.
Excellent movie - more like this need to be made.
Hee...I think I'm getting cranky in my old age. 
I liked it while I was watching it, but once I got out and really started to think about it, I started liking it a lot less.
The story was so...pedestrian. And so many of the gimmicks in it (I shan't spoil, I guess) seemed like desperate attempts to say, "Look! An unconventional element! That makes this ORIGINAL and ENTERTAINING!" But it was all just window-dressing that failed to conceal that the plot was still a paint-by-numbers, tired old "fairy tale" (which in my opinion excuses nothing) where the good guys suffer no consequences for their actions, and the bad guys die to the last man/woman...
And was anyone else creeped out by the fact that Tristan's mom -didn't age a day?- Eighteen years and she was still the hot young thang that had a one-nighter with his (much older now) dad! Obviously it's not a time differential thing, because a week there still equaled a week in England...the plot depended on it. But really! Heck, Septimus looked young enough to be Tristan's brother!
Anyway...I admit, it grabbed me at first, but it couldn't keep hold of me once I started to actually think it over. It's too bad, because the premise had promise, and I liked a lot of the things IN the plot...just not the plot itself.
[sblock=If you're not sick of me yet, here's what I would have done...]I was thinking it was too bad that Primus died so early. It would have been really cool if Primus and Tristan had been a pair for longer, even until the very end. Primus could have been a sort of 'action hero,' supercompetent because of a lifetime of dodging assassination attempts from six brothers...yet not driven to evil himself because the crown was already his, really...all he had to do was survive. He could take Tristan under his wing...not knowing that all the while, he was nurturing a person that might threaten his claim to the crown! Then at the end, we have this delightful uncertainty... Will Primus and Tristan fight? Who will win? There could have been romantic uncertainty with Evayne. A sort of Han/Luke/Leia thing, before Luke turned out to be her brother. Then I think Tristan's journey to manhood is complete when he voluntarily turns his back on power...leaving the kingship to Primus. Evayne perhaps loves them both, but can't go back with Tristan...so stays to be queen. Tristan, now much changed, goes back to England, and we have that scene where he scares off his rival and disses his old lady love...which was a great scene and I wouldn't change a thing. We leave off with Tristan perhaps owning a shop...yet not being a 'shopboy' even so.
I dunno. You could even make it more complicated... Maybe Tristan's mom was the daughter of the FIRST queen...who was that star that fell 400 years ago! Shortly after marrying and having Una, the witches nabbed her (you'd have to re-do some of dialogue about how long ago that happened) and the king remarried and had the seven sons by the new queen. That way Tristan has 'star-blood' which might explain why he can hear the stars whispering...which I think was neat and they should have done more with...and Una's weird immortality is explained...argh! I could go on forever. See? Great premise. Just needed more...work put into it.[/sblock]
I liked it while I was watching it, but once I got out and really started to think about it, I started liking it a lot less.
The story was so...pedestrian. And so many of the gimmicks in it (I shan't spoil, I guess) seemed like desperate attempts to say, "Look! An unconventional element! That makes this ORIGINAL and ENTERTAINING!" But it was all just window-dressing that failed to conceal that the plot was still a paint-by-numbers, tired old "fairy tale" (which in my opinion excuses nothing) where the good guys suffer no consequences for their actions, and the bad guys die to the last man/woman...
And was anyone else creeped out by the fact that Tristan's mom -didn't age a day?- Eighteen years and she was still the hot young thang that had a one-nighter with his (much older now) dad! Obviously it's not a time differential thing, because a week there still equaled a week in England...the plot depended on it. But really! Heck, Septimus looked young enough to be Tristan's brother!
Anyway...I admit, it grabbed me at first, but it couldn't keep hold of me once I started to actually think it over. It's too bad, because the premise had promise, and I liked a lot of the things IN the plot...just not the plot itself.
[sblock=If you're not sick of me yet, here's what I would have done...]I was thinking it was too bad that Primus died so early. It would have been really cool if Primus and Tristan had been a pair for longer, even until the very end. Primus could have been a sort of 'action hero,' supercompetent because of a lifetime of dodging assassination attempts from six brothers...yet not driven to evil himself because the crown was already his, really...all he had to do was survive. He could take Tristan under his wing...not knowing that all the while, he was nurturing a person that might threaten his claim to the crown! Then at the end, we have this delightful uncertainty... Will Primus and Tristan fight? Who will win? There could have been romantic uncertainty with Evayne. A sort of Han/Luke/Leia thing, before Luke turned out to be her brother. Then I think Tristan's journey to manhood is complete when he voluntarily turns his back on power...leaving the kingship to Primus. Evayne perhaps loves them both, but can't go back with Tristan...so stays to be queen. Tristan, now much changed, goes back to England, and we have that scene where he scares off his rival and disses his old lady love...which was a great scene and I wouldn't change a thing. We leave off with Tristan perhaps owning a shop...yet not being a 'shopboy' even so.
I dunno. You could even make it more complicated... Maybe Tristan's mom was the daughter of the FIRST queen...who was that star that fell 400 years ago! Shortly after marrying and having Una, the witches nabbed her (you'd have to re-do some of dialogue about how long ago that happened) and the king remarried and had the seven sons by the new queen. That way Tristan has 'star-blood' which might explain why he can hear the stars whispering...which I think was neat and they should have done more with...and Una's weird immortality is explained...argh! I could go on forever. See? Great premise. Just needed more...work put into it.
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Kahuna Burger
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Since in the book, his mom was of the fairy realm, I would consider it weirder if she did age noticably....Shayuri said:
though that does answer the question I was going to ask about whether the prologue with the fling was in the movie, so thank you.
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