STARGATE UNIVERSE #10:Justice/Season 1/2009

Well, well, that is just dandy...the doc vents his ire (dislike) to the colonel, and gets the crap beating out of him and abandoned.

I was a bit shocked, but I understand the means...

"You play with fire, and fire will burn back"

Sweet.
He didn't get the crap beaten out of him because of his dislike of the colonel, but because he flat out came out and said he would never stop with his crap. The same crap that got them stranded on the bloody ship, tried to frame the Colonel for murder, got a researcher comatose (through rampant manipulation), etc. The only reason he didn't get a bullet to the brain was because the script writers wanted to use him in the future (which was very obvious).

At least the good doc knows Young can make those life and death decisions he claimed the good colonel couldn't make. I just had to snicker ;-)

The whole 'leader' thing is getting way out of hand, something I would understand from a military standpoint or a human resources standpoint (I think she has enough of a taste of leadership after this episode), but most of the people on that ship are scientists. Such folk tend to be highly independent (and tend to be a little suspicious of authority), so why the accept the whole 'leader' issue is a little beyond me. Eli did seem a little lost a couple of times this episode...
 

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I enjoyed the episode, I didn't expect Rush to get marooned. I find his character interesting, so hopefully we'll still be seeing plenty of him.

One thing has been bugging me about the episode, because I can't quite remember. Back when they were trying to get off the desert planet they talked about Eli holding his arm in the event horizon to prevent it from closing due to safety protocols. I can't recall whether they actually had to do it though, and it does make me wonder that they didn't do so in this case when it looked like they might not make it back in time.
 

Heh, since the start of this show, it was marked and made plain as day. There was no love losted between these two.

The good ole doctor hedge his bet, that the man will not do anything, to him.

Wrong! Remember the small fillers, with the background stories, dealing with earth.

That helped shaped the colonel, I presume the reason why he was 'tired' of doing the job. Because of what it cost him, personally.

Now, the odds are truly are against him, and those under his charge.

Has renewed him, but him lying, or giving a Variant statement to what did happen, is the lesser of two evils.

1--Told the truth, more morale and seperation between the civs and military, would cascaded deeper.

2--Fib the tale, keep everyone together for the sake of survival. And jUst move on.

This is the tenth show, and the dropped kick was expected, but frak, this was just damn beautiful....

The 'bigger' Ball was played, the doc losted.

...For now.




He didn't get the crap beaten out of him because of his dislike of the colonel, but because he flat out came out and said he would never stop with his crap. The same crap that got them stranded on the bloody ship, tried to frame the Colonel for murder, got a researcher comatose (through rampant manipulation), etc. The only reason he didn't get a bullet to the brain was because the script writers wanted to use him in the future (which was very obvious).

At least the good doc knows Young can make those life and death decisions he claimed the good colonel couldn't make. I just had to snicker ;-)

The whole 'leader' thing is getting way out of hand, something I would understand from a military standpoint or a human resources standpoint (I think she has enough of a taste of leadership after this episode), but most of the people on that ship are scientists. Such folk tend to be highly independent (and tend to be a little suspicious of authority), so why the accept the whole 'leader' issue is a little beyond me. Eli did seem a little lost a couple of times this episode...
 
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I enjoyed the episode, I didn't expect Rush to get marooned. I find his character interesting, so hopefully we'll still be seeing plenty of him.

One thing has been bugging me about the episode, because I can't quite remember. Back when they were trying to get off the desert planet they talked about Eli holding his arm in the event horizon to prevent it from closing due to safety protocols. I can't recall whether they actually had to do it though, and it does make me wonder that they didn't do so in this case when it looked like they might not make it back in time.


I don't believe that the gate is a two-way worm hole, is it? If not, to go back to help Rush (believing he was in a landslide) would have required they close the gate, then open it the other way, then close it, then open back toward the ship. The ship would not have waited once the gate was closed the first time. It's probably why Young waited until the last ten seconds to come back through.
 

I don't believe that the gate is a two-way worm hole, is it? If not, to go back to help Rush (believing he was in a landslide) would have required they close the gate, then open it the other way, then close it, then open back toward the ship. The ship would not have waited once the gate was closed the first time. It's probably why Young waited until the last ten seconds to come back through.

Hurm...

*goes to look at a wiki*

I never knew that, I always assumed since radios and such worked two ways through them, everything must. Evidently that's just a convenient exception.
 

Easily the best episode of the series thus far.

Everyone mostly covered things I would talk about, but there were two things I didn't particularly see mentioned.

First, it bugs me that Eli would tell Young about the corrupted data, but not tell Scott. It would seem like since Scott told him to go through the data again, Eli would bring it to him. Ah well, Eli won't be making that mistake again, and I'm sure he backed up the data somewhere else.

Second, the scene with the scientists and the chair was very cool. I don't think Rush was directly responsible for the guy sitting in the chair. However, I do think he chose him and set it up so he'd be tempted, to see what would happen.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if the final scene between Eli and Colonel Young in this episode ended up being the moment where Eli stopped trusting him. Certainly, the difference between Colonel Young's attitude of risking his own life to do everything possible to save Lt. Scott on the ice world and the way he claimed to leave Dr. Rush in a rockslide in order to save himself is going to be noticed by a lot of the people on the ship.

If the very next episode doesn't have Wray maintain or re-assume command, I'll have to call shenanigans. There is no way that people would think it was all an accident. Absolutely no way, even without Eli's evidence being known.

Also, Young has basically become Rush. "The ends justify the means," indeed.

Haven't seen it yet, but I assume Lou Diamond Philips did it. In Young's body.

That's an interesting theory, but I don't think it holds water. Furthermore, I think it kind of cheapens Rush's inevitable return.

I'm going to guess he figures out how to get into the ship and start her up and somehow follow the ancient ship all the way to the season finale where they have a reveal and duke it out or something.

That would be my assumption as well. It looked like the pod that lifted off from the ship in the first episode.

Alternatively, if the seeder ship is ahead of Destiny, perhaps Rush could "wormhole jump" to get ahead of Destiny and ambush them when they get off again. Then again, I don't think we really know how it works, do we?

He didn't get the crap beaten out of him because of his dislike of the colonel, but because he flat out came out and said he would never stop with his crap.

Ahhhh. The sound at that part came in muddy for me, so I couldn't tell what he was saying. That makes a lot of sense. Thanks!

One thing has been bugging me about the episode, because I can't quite remember. Back when they were trying to get off the desert planet they talked about Eli holding his arm in the event horizon to prevent it from closing due to safety protocols. I can't recall whether they actually had to do it though, and it does make me wonder that they didn't do so in this case when it looked like they might not make it back in time.

I don't believe that the gate is a two-way worm hole, is it? If not, to go back to help Rush (believing he was in a landslide) would have required they close the gate, then open it the other way, then close it, then open back toward the ship. The ship would not have waited once the gate was closed the first time. It's probably why Young waited until the last ten seconds to come back through.

The ship took off pretty quickly once the gate was shut down the first time. I don't think they would have had time to re-initialize the gate once, let alone twice.
 

Whereas I like Rush, as a character, and he is knowledgeable (though other people have actually resolved most of the crises) and even useful in certain circumstances (but not that useful), had he endangered my crew in the way he has done so numerous times (physically, psychologically, challenged my leadership and tried to split the crew), I would have put three rounds through his left eyeball.

There would have been no abandonment. I would have left a corpse, and the danger Rush represented to everyone else, behind the ship.
 

That was indeed excellent. I half-expected Young to tell Eli what happened.

I think Scott does know that Rush was there; he and Eli saw the whole recording, called Young, and Young came up with the "corrupted" thing. Young didn't want to engender more distrust between the civilians and military. If everyone found out what Rush did, they would have either had to do essentially nothing to Rush, which would've pushed the soldiers to distrust and loath the scientists, by association with Rush; or they would have had to openly done something final (kill or maroon) with Rush, which would have increased the scientists' & civilians ill-will. Either way, bad for morale

I think Young was hoping to work it out with Rush, but Rush's hubris was too much (again). This way, Young has (semi-) plausible deniability.

Whereas I like Rush, as a character, and he is knowledgeable (though other people have actually resolved most of the crises) and even useful in certain circumstances (but not that useful), had he endangered my crew in the way he has done so numerous times (physically, psychologically, challenged my leadership and tried to split the crew), I would have put three rounds through his left eyeball.

I don't think Young's that kind of guy, though, to execute someone like that. If Rush had been physically threatening someone (gun to the head, about to blow something up), Young could cap him. But to cold-bloodedly execute an unarmed man, just because he's an ass and is saying he's going to continue to do it?

Rush was sort of right -- Young was leaving his position, I think at least in part because he didn't want to go through this stuff any more.

But Rush had to go, so Young went old school and marooned him rather than killing him. IIRC, Young had a pack, but didn't bring it back with him -- I wonder if it had food & water?

And practically, someone could have noticed if he came back with a recently fired gun, and beating him to death with rocks would have taken too long. :)
 

I'm a big supporter of Rush and have very little sympathy for Young, so the whole "glad Young finally did what needed doing" thing doesn't resonate with me at all.

Anyway, this little situation is far from cleared up, as everyone knows that someone framed Young, but they don't know who. Young can't point the finger at Rush or he'll be suspect, so there should still be a big stink aboard ship.
 

That was indeed excellent. I half-expected Young to tell Eli what happened.

I think Scott does know that Rush was there; he and Eli saw the whole recording, called Young, and Young came up with the "corrupted" thing. Young didn't want to engender more distrust between the civilians and military. If everyone found out what Rush did, they would have either had to do essentially nothing to Rush, which would've pushed the soldiers to distrust and loath the scientists, by association with Rush; or they would have had to openly done something final (kill or maroon) with Rush, which would have increased the scientists' & civilians ill-will. Either way, bad for morale

I'm pretty sure that only Young and Eli know about the video exposing Rush's guilt in the setup. Everyone else is in the dark, at least for now. When Rush eventually shows up again, things should get interesting!

Someone posted above that the final scene might be the moment that Eli stops trusting Young . . . . I'm not so sure about that! I think that Eli is fully knowledgeable of what Young has done, and is at least partially complicit. Not comfortable with the situation, but complicit.
 

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