STARGATE UNIVERSE #10:Justice/Season 1/2009

I am starting to think that the ship on planet may be the same ship as we saw leave Destiny and that Destiny is heading to the same place. how it got ahead, well Destiny has stopped a few times now and spent time out of Hyper-space refueling.

Oh, olds are the Kinos are translators too!
 

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When Young head-butted Rush and knocked him out I chuckled to myself because I imagined Young thinking, "Crap, now I have to carry him back." I was stunned when Young came through alone, but I can't say I was really that surprised.

I definitely think it was in the heat of the moment. Young certainly planned confronting Rush, and probably contemplated punching him, but I doubt he had actually planned to maroon him until Rush said it wouldn't end. I don't think that was the response Young expected.

Perhaps Young's train of thought was not so different than I first suggested, except it probably went more like, "Crap, now I have to carry him back... Or maybe I don't." Young can be hot-headed, but I don't see it in him to maroon somebody on a dead planet unless they really REALLY pushed all of his buttons. I bet it took him so long to get back not because he planned it, but because it took him that long to actually walk away from Rush's body and think up the excuse for why he was injured and Rush-less.

I half-expected Young to tell Eli what happened.
I think that Eli is fully knowledgeable of what Young has done, and is at least partially complicit. Not comfortable with the situation, but complicit.

Oh, Eli knows what happened. The look Eli gave Young at the end was the look of a trusting adolescent who saw their hero come home in the middle of the night high on crack. That look said to Young, "I hate you, but you're in charge, so I'll do what you say." And I think Young understood it.

Especially if Rush does escape his exile (as we all seem to be assuming he must).

Oh, he has to escape it. He's too memorable of a character to simply fade out of the show, forgotten. And why introduce the ship if you're not going to do anything with it? There's a reason the writers put an alien ship on that planet, and it wasn't just to get Rush and Young alone. It could have easily been an alien city or other unmovable artifact. The latent writer in me says Rush must use the ship to rendezvous with the Destiny at some later point. The laws of good writing say it is so.

You know, that's one of the things I like about this show. They're not afraid to introduce something and not use it until later episodes. Things don't wrap up cleanly at the end of each show. It would make it harder for somebody to start watching in the middle, but it really rewards loyal viewers. And the fact that it's available on Hulu makes it easier for loyal viewers to stay loyal - they don't have to miss an entire episode just because they had a date on SGU night or the fire alarm in their apartment went off.

However, now that you mention it, I recall very specifically an episode of SG1 where a very low level wave transmitted through the wormhole was used to hold open the gate. I'm not sure why that couldn't be done here as well. Ah well.

When Eli's arm was used to hold open the wormhole they talked about safety features. It's possible those safety features would know the difference between a wave and organic matter and wouldn't be fooled by a low-level wave.

Also, remember that the crew of Destiny doesn't have all of the technology accessible to them that SG1 had. They probably don't have the capability to just whip up a radio wave with a frequency to their liking, or if they do have it, it probably would take them more than a few minutes to whip it up. They probably didn't realize something was wrong until 2 or 3 minutes before the deadline, since the rest of the crew was on their way back and they had no reason to think Rush and Young were not right behind them.
 

Oh, he has to escape it. He's too memorable of a character to simply fade out of the show, forgotten. And why introduce the ship if you're not going to do anything with it? There's a reason the writers put an alien ship on that planet, and it wasn't just to get Rush and Young alone. It could have easily been an alien city or other unmovable artifact. The latent writer in me says Rush must use the ship to rendezvous with the Destiny at some later point. The laws of good writing say it is so.

Actually, its possible they saw the Rush character as a potential hazard. After all, Sy-Fy (back when it was sensibly called Sci-Fi) used to air a show with a very similar memorable character, one Gaius Baltar.

They may have felt that if they wandered too far down the "brilliant, egotistical, misanthropic scientist who is a hazard to everyone who isn't him" would have been a scriptwriting trap and opened them up to all kinds of "Well, they didn't do it that way on nBSG." comparisons.

My gut tells me that we'll see Rush again, but I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't. Heck...he may be radically changed if/when encountered later, like some of the humans who encountered the Amnion in Stephen Donaldson's Gap novels, or the many races who encountered the Borg of ST fame.

The introduction of the ship could simply be foreshadowing that there will be intelligent life encountered by the ship, even this far out...even though it may not even be of the same kind as made the ship. After all, that kind of thing was mentioned in Contact (the book and the movie)- the race(s) that built the "gates" were not known to those who used them.


You know, that's one of the things I like about this show. They're not afraid to introduce something and not use it until later episodes. Things don't wrap up cleanly at the end of each show.

That was one of the things I liked about B5, and was carried over to a lesser extent in subsequent sci-fi shows. SG: U seems to be intent on using that style almost as much as B5 did.

And that's a good thing.
 

I finally got a chance to watch this episode on Hulu. I liked it a lot.

Rush isn't working under lifeboat ethics at all. He is Ahab and Destiny, plus its knowledge, is his whale. He's not overly concerned with anyone else's survival. He has no interest in finding a way home. Afterall, he wouldn't want to let his guinea pigs get away, and Eli is actually a little useful. Rush is only of use to the others under strict control. Left to his own devices, he isn't going to get anyone home until he has learned all he wants to know, and that isn't likely to happen in Rush's lifetime.

Young's actions were definitely outside his role as commander. He could have presented the evidence against Rush and easily had him locked up. It would have likely improved morale as it would close the case on who planted the gun, and no one really likes Rush. I believe the way Young acted was based both on personal feelings and what he considered best for everyone on Destiny.

I hope we see Rush again soon. I wouldn't mind him coming back helping hostile aliens. I would like him to get back as part of the crew of the Destiny though.

The show is dark with flawed characters, but I still like every one of them. That is where BSG failed for me. I didn't care about any of the characters by the end of the first season.
 

I liked the irony inherent in the episode - that Young gets framed for eliminating a threat to the rest of the group and attempting to cover it up in order to maintain his authority, and by the end of the episode he's committed that very same act.

And can I just give a big three cheers for an episode not featuring any back-to-Earth bodyswap scenes. Keeping the action aboard ship really highlighted the tensions of the situation.

As for Rush, I think the expectation is for him to somehow get the alien ship spaceworthy and catch up with the Destiny in it, but I'm not sure I'd go along with that. This isn't Ancient technology, it's something totally outside human experience, and barring some astonishing degree of user-friendliness, I don't credit his chances of getting it operational, let alone flying it, finding the Destiny and catching up.

On the other hand, Young didn't bring much back through the gate with him. If Rush has access to a Kino and DHD remote, and has sufficient understanding of the set-up of the gate network and Destiny's course, he could potentially use the gates (dialing a later-installed gate each time) to leapfrog ahead of Destiny's course, then simply dial Destiny's stargate once it comes in range.

Of course, that means traversing multiple uncharted worlds solo, which is likely to be challenging given the worlds they've seen so far, but it's possible. I'm guessing we'll see Rush turn up sometime soon via Destiny's stargate, bruised and weathered, lugging some essential piece of technology he salvaged from the alien ship.
 

Young's actions were definitely outside his role as commander. He could have presented the evidence against Rush and easily had him locked up. It would have likely improved morale as it would close the case on who planted the gun, and no one really likes Rush. I believe the way Young acted was based both on personal feelings and what he considered best for everyone on Destiny.

I still say that trial would have been too much an echo of Baltar's trial in nBSG for the writers- and possibly the producers- to feel comfortable.
 

Rush isn't working under lifeboat ethics at all. He is Ahab and Destiny, plus its knowledge, is his whale. He's not overly concerned with anyone else's survival. He has no interest in finding a way home. Afterall, he wouldn't want to let his guinea pigs get away, and Eli is actually a little useful.
He'd be thrilled to get a way back to Earth. Destiny and the 9th chevron is his project, and if they made a connection back to Earth, there's every reason to believe that Destiny would still be his bailiwick. In the meantime he'd be able to rid himself of Young and the other military hotheads who randomly ended up in the middle of his experiment. Eli would likely stay with Rush, too.

Yes, he's single-minded when it comes to Destiny, but is plenty smart enough to know that if he can get the jerks around him back home -- jerks who are totally inappropriately running the show from his perspective, since they wouldn't be in charge at all if it weren't for the incidents in the first ep.

His baby, his experiment. Find a way to gate the :):):):):):):)s home and he can actually focus on his work.
 

He'd be thrilled to get a way back to Earth. Destiny and the 9th chevron is his project, and if they made a connection back to Earth, there's every reason to believe that Destiny would still be his bailiwick. In the meantime he'd be able to rid himself of Young and the other military hotheads who randomly ended up in the middle of his experiment. Eli would likely stay with Rush, too.
You really think the IOA or the military is going to put a lonewolf like Rush in charge of researching Destiny? :confused: He isn't a team player. He is an unpopular outsider, even among the scientists.

Wray doesn't seem to like him. The IOA wants them all off Destiny and its own picked team put on. The military might leave Rush on as part of a team, but Carter, McKay, or someone else would be leading the scientific investigation. Those "military hotheads" didn't randomly end up in the middle of his experiment. They were his bosses as part of the SG program, and he obviously hated it. You think Rush wants Telford, who is supposed to be leading the mission, over Young? In any case, he would be lucky to remain on Destiny, and would be dealing with more military, more IOA administrators, and government bureaucracy.

Rush was in a dream position being stranded with the group on Destiny. He just needed to get someone he could manipulate in charge.
 

You really think the IOA or the military is going to put a lonewolf like Rush in charge of researching Destiny? :confused: He isn't a team player. He is an unpopular outsider, even among the scientists.
He's the lead scientist on the 9th chevron project, and clearly a respected expert on Ancient tech. They put him him in charge of the science for that, it's an easy logical extension that the same would be true of Destiny, yes.

Wray doesn't seem to like him. The IOA wants them all off Destiny and its own picked team put on. The military might leave Rush on as part of a team, but Carter, McKay, or someone else would be leading the scientific investigation.
Why? Why aren't Carter, McKay, or someone else in charge of the 9th chevron project, then?

Those "military hotheads" didn't randomly end up in the middle of his experiment. They were his bosses as part of the SG program, and he obviously hated it.
Well, no. Most of the military guys on the ship, including the major jerks, are there through sheer accident (as it were), due to the attack on the base.

I could not disagree more with the "Rush wouldn't be there" theory. He was selected for that position over Carter and McKay for a reason (which could well include them being too busy). There's no reason at all to think he wouldn't have remained in charge of the science.
 

As for Rush, I think the expectation is for him to somehow get the alien ship spaceworthy and catch up with the Destiny in it, but I'm not sure I'd go along with that. This isn't Ancient technology, it's something totally outside human experience, and barring some astonishing degree of user-friendliness, I don't credit his chances of getting it operational, let alone flying it, finding the Destiny and catching up.

Carter and McKay did this fairly often on SG1/SGA. No reason to think it would be different for Rush, who seems to be on the same intelligence level as they are.
 

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