Stargates 7/30/04

[Kesh]

Actually, I started to admire her more with this episode. She went from being a negotiator to being a leader. She was right to jump down that scientist's throat and, while she was a little insensitive to another culture, I think she was justified there too. I'd have done the same thing.

 

[Elf Witch]

Actually, I started to admire her more with this episode. She went from being a negotiator to being a leader. She was right to jump down that scientist's throat and, while she was a little insensitive to another culture, I think she was justified there too. I'd have done the same thing.

Why was she right? The point he brought up was a very valid one. There was a danger that could have killed everyone. As a leader she needed to know all the ramifications of any decision she made. Also a good leader does not behave like an ass. She has to work with this guy for who knows how long. It is not like she can fire him. Right now they are sruck.

She could have easily have said yes there is a danger but this is what we are going to do. Goodleaders don't feel the need to lead by undercutting anybody.

Her reasons were wrong with the cultural thing. She did not want to tell them they might not make it because she didn't want to appear like she was scared that they were not going to make it. That was all about her and how she felt. so she said to them our way is more important than your way.

The only time she acted like a leader was when she told science guy she would kick him out if he did not get back to work.

 

[Mark]

I like the leader for SG-Atlantis, and think she was right to not evoke a feeling of doom within her people even if that means denying the refugees their ritual. Of the "potentially doomed", there were five from earth and one refugee, right? If the ritual could have been handled without distracting those who were still trying to live, then I suppose both "customs" could have been allowed. As it was, the one refugee aboard Puddlejumper-1 was trying just as hard as anyone else to find a solution and didn't seem very anxious about missing out on the ritual.


SG-1 was a good time, too, of course. Gen O'Neill (*holds up three fingers* that's with two "L's") seems to be settling into his new command well enough. I wonder if it will become a running gag that the way he helps himself work through a crisis is by writing resignation letters and ending them all with "Nevermind"? I think one of the things I like best about SG is that "our" side mainly has to manage to survive by our wits and only vary rarely can simply muscle our way through trouble.

 

[LightPhoenix]

Why was she right? The point he brought up was a very valid one. There was a danger that could have killed everyone. As a leader she needed to know all the ramifications of any decision she made. Also a good leader does not behave like an ass. She has to work with this guy for who knows how long. It is not like she can fire him. Right now they are sruck.

She could have easily have said yes there is a danger but this is what we are going to do. Goodleaders don't feel the need to lead by undercutting anybody.

In part I agree with you, in that she was a little strict, but also let's look at the scientists.

For one, rather than working together to solve an immediate problem, they chose to sit there and bicker. Especially the guy, who would not let it go, even though the rest of the scientists had agreed that the danger was minimal.

Second, we don't really know how much of a possibility the danger was, since McKay is well known to worry overly much, so his thoughts can't be taken as the literal truth.

Third, and most damning, is when he challenged her authority. A leader can not let a challenge to her authority just slide. That just opens up the possibility for everyone to pave their way right over her.

In this instance Weir did, IMO, exactly the right thing - consulted with the scientists, got their opinion, acted on it in the way they decided to as a group, and then stood up to the one guy who chose to be an arrogant pain in the rear, as well as challenge her authority.

To your second point, she did do what you said... she gave the guy a chance to explain, he decided to act like an ass. She even questioned the other scientists. It was the scientist that then decided to challenge her, it wasn't Weir that undercut him.

If this were an attack by the Wraith, and things depended on everyone functioning as a whole, there would be major problems that could very easily result in deaths. Rather than wait until that happens (and it will) Weir needs to nip this in the bud... and she did.

Her reasons were wrong with the cultural thing. She did not want to tell them they might not make it because she didn't want to appear like she was scared that they were not going to make it. That was all about her and how she felt. so she said to them our way is more important than your way

In this I totally agree... the Atlantis crew, and especially Weir, have been treating the "natives" as almost second-class. Mark my words, it'll come back to bite her in the bum, I'd bet my life on it.

 

[Aulayan]

Weir got to show some authority, that scientist-guy was a jerk (I expect he'll turn traitor at some point), and we see how some of our main characters deal with a high-stress situation.

McKay...was finally McKay. He appeared in seasons 6 and 7 Sg-1 and he was a jerk. He believed in science but didn't have much of a creative imagination. He always thought he was right...the problem was he dealt with advanced technology so it's hard to be always right.

He was toned down for Atlantis, but he was finally FUN TO WATCH in last weeks episode. It was about time for it too.

He won't turn traitor. He's pro-human. He's just a jerk. A fun one.

 

[Mark]

... the Atlantis crew, and especially Weir, have been treating the "natives" as almost second-class. Mark my words, it'll come back to bite her in the bum, I'd bet my life on it.

From livestock to second-class in only a couple of episodes? See? There's always room for advancement with today's Tauri!



Patience, Monty. Climb the ladder...

 

[Mark]

McKay...was finally McKay. He appeared in seasons 6 and 7 Sg-1 and he was a jerk.

I think this is the main reason they had that other science guy be such a jerk last episode; to take that "jerk" moniker away from McKay. They might be cooking up some longer-term plot thing around it, but I suspect the main reason was meta-plot, to speed along the de-jerkification/humanization of McKay.

 

[Abraxas]

Originally Posted by LightPhoenix
For one, rather than working together to solve an immediate problem, they chose to sit there and bicker. Especially the guy, who would not let it go, even though the rest of the scientists had agreed that the danger was minimal.

We don't actually know from the episode if the guy "just wouldn't let it go" was especially to blame or if the blonde scientist wasn't just dismissing his point out of hand. Both sides chose to bicker - coming down on the guy who was pointing out the danger and letting the "Oh we think the danger is . . . minimal" scientist off without a comment about why this information wasn't brought to her attention (in addition to accusing the alarmist of just wanting to save his own ass) was assinine and divisive.

Maybe the scene just hit me in a different way - it was added just to promote some form of tension (and will be used somehow in a later episode) and made Weir appear (IMO) as very weak, resorting basically to insults to embarass and belittle and show her supposed control of the situation.

 

[Viking Bastard]

McKay...was finally McKay. He appeared in seasons 6 and 7 Sg-1 and he was a jerk. He believed in science but didn't have much of a creative imagination. He always thought he was right...the problem was he dealt with advanced technology so it's hard to be always right.

He was toned down for Atlantis, but he was finally FUN TO WATCH in last weeks episode. It was about time for it too.

He won't turn traitor. He's pro-human. He's just a jerk. A fun one.

Heh. You're thinking wrong jerk. I believe he meant Kavanagh.
The ponytailed "The Jumper Will Explode" scientist.

 

[Elf Witch]

We don't actually know from the episode if the guy "just wouldn't let it go" was especially to blame or if the blonde scientist wasn't just dismissing his point out of hand. Both sides chose to bicker - coming down on the guy who was pointing out the danger and letting the "Oh we think the danger is . . . minimal" scientist off without a comment about why this information wasn't brought to her attention (in addition to accusing the alarmist of just wanting to save his own ass) was assinine and divisive.

Maybe the scene just hit me in a different way - it was added just to promote some form of tension (and will be used somehow in a later episode) and made Weir appear (IMO) as very weak, resorting basically to insults to embarass and belittle and show her supposed control of the situation.

This is the feeling that I got as well. It felt forced and was badly written. I rewatched the scenes from last season with the other Weir and it is like night and day. That Weir came in to a tough situation she was being used by Kinnsey and the Earth was under attack. Yet she stood up to Kinnsey and did not alienate anyone.

But now she is just comes acroos as this woman who is insecure about her postion and is overreacting to everything. In the pilot she gave a speech about being careful not to go blindly into a situation. And look how right she was sure they rescued some people but they woke up the Wraith. Now she is like don't tell me anything about danger I don't care we will do what ever is needed to get our people back.

The writers can't seem to find a balence for her.